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I don't know a single engineer in the last decade that I've worked with or known that wants to live in SFBay. Hell, Google literally opened an office on 2nd and

by swozey 3y ago

I don't know a single engineer in the last decade that I've worked with or known that wants to live in SFBay. Hell, Google literally opened an office on 2nd and congress in Austin because people wanted to live in Austin and not SFbay. I was there on its opening day! $70k is completely fine in Houston, Dallas, Austin. I made around that in each one. Almost everyone I know here in Denver makes 70k-100k max and I'm in the most trendy neighborhood downtown and these are (actual, like structural) engineers, lawyers, etc. My hair stylist makes 50k and has a nice 1br. Personally my rent is $4k which is absolutely common for a 2bdr in sfbay but mine is very nice, probably much newer than would be in SF. I made 90k living in Chicago. 40-60k living in Tampa. I always had a new car new a twin turbo z4, mazda 3, crv, sometimes I had 2 cars (sports/daily), always had my own place, etc. Zero debt. Went out ALL the time. Everything isn't NYC or SFBay. I didn't start my career making 40k and go "OK great, now I'm off to San Francisco/NYC!!" I moved more west as my income grew. The privilege.. I promise you that there are service industry people making 30-45k in SF/NYC who are absolutely content or happy with their lives whether it's living in a 10x10 shoebox or an attic in a loft with a roomate. I'm not doing that, but I have a lot of industry friends from a past life that do. The average hourly for a nyc bartender is something like $16-18. I used to do it on the side. We're privileged beyond belief.

jjulius 3y ago
>Everything isn't NYC or SFBay. Never said it was, I just pointed to two areas where $70k doesn't go very far. Simple as that. Edit: Your comment is very "I"-centric. Nobody cares about how many cars you have owned, because your life experience cannot be copy/pasted to everyone else. It's like you've missed the point.
- swozey 3y ago
  Jesus. The point was that people are, and can be content on living in SF and NYC on under $100k. It's offensive that you think that every single person who makes 70k or whatever range is living in a box filled with rats or whatever you think it is. Who do you think cooks, cleans, and serves drinks to people in SF/NYC? Sorry they aren't up to your standards living wise.
  - jjulius 3y ago
    I never said they're not content. I said that people making $70k in those areas might not be able to afford the same things you can, up to and including Spotify. That's. All. I never said that that's how everyone lived, I just said that not everybody making 70k lives comfortably. That could be one person, it could be a handful. I never blanket generalized, you did by saying everyone making $70k should live just fine. All I said was, "That's not always the case", and now you're trying to say that I think everyone living in those areas making $70k are scum. You need to relax.
    - swozey 3y ago
      I definitely didn't mean to infer equitable life style, that'd be kind of goofy to think. I'm single and kid-free. I'm not saying the parent of 2 kids could or should drive a new car, or go out all the time, live downtown, etc. especially on that income. I'm sure a LOT of people live in Vallejo and work in SF for instance. Mortgages, Medical problems, alimony, blahblah. Millions of differences. I just meant that there ARE people happily living off of salaries in that range, less so in SF for sure. That's why I never moved, never felt like I could afford it, had the option to live in Los Gatos and around San Mateo (san jose for sure probably). I was curious so looked it up, 75th % salary in SFbay is $76k. 25th % $113k. These are salaries from the ziprecruiter database- I put in Bartender - $34k, Teacher - $47k, Police - $60k (I know this is wildly off not including their overtime, they make like $150-250k in sf). https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/-in-San-Francisco,CA#Yearly https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/-in-San-Francisco,CA#Y... This newer article says the amount of people in that bracket drpoped 10% 2019-2022. Wonder if that's people moving out, layoffs / biz shuttering, or maybe the covid checks ending lowering peoples income across the board. Those didn't affect the $100k+ market (limit was 80k i think?) which grew 10% regardless. That sucks if it's not them leaving I can only think of negative reasons aside from that or getting raises. https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/09/18/median-income-decrease-census https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/09/18/median-... Sorry, I'm just on a tangent now. Didn't mean to come off rude in general, though.

by swozey 3y ago

jjulius 3y ago

>Everything isn't NYC or SFBay. Never said it was, I just pointed to two areas where $70k doesn't go very far. Simple as that. Edit: Your comment is very "I"-centric. Nobody cares about how many cars you have owned, because your life experience cannot be copy/pasted to everyone else. It's like you've missed the point.

swozey 3y ago
Jesus. The point was that people are, and can be content on living in SF and NYC on under $100k. It's offensive that you think that every single person who makes 70k or whatever range is living in a box filled with rats or whatever you think it is. Who do you think cooks, cleans, and serves drinks to people in SF/NYC? Sorry they aren't up to your standards living wise.
- jjulius 3y ago
  I never said they're not content. I said that people making $70k in those areas might not be able to afford the same things you can, up to and including Spotify. That's. All. I never said that that's how everyone lived, I just said that not everybody making 70k lives comfortably. That could be one person, it could be a handful. I never blanket generalized, you did by saying everyone making $70k should live just fine. All I said was, "That's not always the case", and now you're trying to say that I think everyone living in those areas making $70k are scum. You need to relax.
  - swozey 3y ago
    I definitely didn't mean to infer equitable life style, that'd be kind of goofy to think. I'm single and kid-free. I'm not saying the parent of 2 kids could or should drive a new car, or go out all the time, live downtown, etc. especially on that income. I'm sure a LOT of people live in Vallejo and work in SF for instance. Mortgages, Medical problems, alimony, blahblah. Millions of differences. I just meant that there ARE people happily living off of salaries in that range, less so in SF for sure. That's why I never moved, never felt like I could afford it, had the option to live in Los Gatos and around San Mateo (san jose for sure probably). I was curious so looked it up, 75th % salary in SFbay is $76k. 25th % $113k. These are salaries from the ziprecruiter database- I put in Bartender - $34k, Teacher - $47k, Police - $60k (I know this is wildly off not including their overtime, they make like $150-250k in sf). https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/-in-San-Francisco,CA#Yearly https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/-in-San-Francisco,CA#Y... This newer article says the amount of people in that bracket drpoped 10% 2019-2022. Wonder if that's people moving out, layoffs / biz shuttering, or maybe the covid checks ending lowering peoples income across the board. Those didn't affect the $100k+ market (limit was 80k i think?) which grew 10% regardless. That sucks if it's not them leaving I can only think of negative reasons aside from that or getting raises. https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/09/18/median-income-decrease-census https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/09/18/median-... Sorry, I'm just on a tangent now. Didn't mean to come off rude in general, though.