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Adobe is training off of images stored in their cloud systems, per their Terms of Service. OpenAI has provided no such documentation or legal guarantees, and i
by galleywest200 3y ago
Adobe is training off of images stored in their cloud systems, per their Terms of Service.
OpenAI has provided no such documentation or legal guarantees, and it is still quite possible they scraped all sorts of copyright materials.
- devmor 3y agoThere is in fact, an extreme amount of circumstantial evidence that they intentionally and knowingly violated copyright en mass. It’s been quite a popular subject in tech news the past couple weeks.
- Kuinox 3y ago> OpenAI has provided no such documentation OpenAI and Shutterstocks publicly announced their collaboration, Shutterstocks sells AI generated images, generated with OpenAI models.
- luma 3y agoGoogle scrapes copyrighted material every day and then presents that material to users in the form of excerpts, images, and entire book pages. This has been ruled OK by the courts. Scraping copyrighted information is not illegal or we couldn't have search engines.
- kg 3y agoGoogle is not presently selling "we trained an AI on people's art without permission, and you can type their name in along with a prompt to generate a knockoff of their art, and we charge you money for this". So it's not really a 1:1 comparison, since there are companies selling the thing I described right now.
- luma 3y agoThat pretty clearly would fall under transformative work. It is not illegal for a human to paint a painting in the style of, say, Banksy, and then sell the resulting painting.
- kg 3y agoHumans and AI are not the same thing, legally or physically. The law does not currently grant AI rights of any kind.
- luma 3y agoIf a human isn't violating the law when doing that thing, then how is the machine violating the law when it cannot even hold copyright itself?
- kg 3y agoI'm not sure how to explain this any clearer: Humans and machines are legally distinct. Machines don't have the rights that humans have.
- Ukv 3y agoFair Use is the relevant protection and is not specific to manual creation. Traditional algorithms (e.g: the snippets, caching, and thumbnailing done by search engines) are already covered by it.
- estebank 3y agoIn some locales sitting on the street writing down a list of people coming and going is legal, but leaving a camera pointed at the street isn't. Legislation like that makes a distinction between an action by a person (which has bounds on scalability) and mechanized actions (that do not).
- ufocia 3y agoWhat's not prohibited is allowed, at least in the US.
- ufocia 3y agoScraping is only legal if it's temporary and transformational. If Google started selling the scrapped images it would be a different story.
- Kuinox 3y agoWhat is not transformational for generative AI ?
- mesh 3y agoNo they are not. They train their models on Adobe Stock content. They do not train on user content. https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/machine-learning-faq.html https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/machine-learnin... "The insights obtained through content analysis will not be used to re-create your content or lead to identifying any personal information." "For Adobe Firefly, the first model is trained on Adobe Stock images, openly licensed content, and public domain content where the copyright has expired." (I work for Adobe)