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Curious: what was Tesla’s initial justification for recording from cameras while the car is parked and charging?

swozey 3y ago
I have two cameras in my jeep that are recording at all times. One front and back. It just overwrites its recordings after a time period. Gives me something to report if it's broken into, hit, etc. I'd like an inside camera as well but haven't felt like adding it. Also the Tesla uses Cameras instead of Lidar which is mentioned in the article, so they already had a million cameras they could give a driver access to. Jeep having access to my cameras though? Super weird. Jeep can do literally nothing to assist me in any situation that I would have a recording of something happening. But that's possibly much different with Teslas camera system where it's used for self-driving etc.
- andrepd 3y ago
  Yes! But you are recording on your own device and nobody else can do anything about it.
alistairSH 3y ago
No idea if this was Tesla’s justification, but it can be useful for hit-and-run while parked. Though Tesla probably did it because they could and Elon said so.
ceejayoz 3y ago
"Sentry mode". If someone keys your car, you get several high-resolution camera recordings of the crime.
- throwaway3478 3y ago
  And several of your own crime.
usrusr 3y ago
The root reason is that Tesla is made by and for people who assume that they will never ever be at the receiving end of a power imbalance. (edit: to them) More surveillance equals more opportunity to use power, not risk of ending up on the other side. The mindset operates on not identifying with former winners, as in the idea that luck might change e.g. through an unfortunate health development is completely ignored.
- oa335 3y ago
  Very succinct analysis, I wonder what other brands operate with the same assumption? Also are there any brands that operate under the opposite assumption?
  - usrusr 3y ago
    I'm sure the mindset exists everywhere, but others are not associated with a person-brand that puts it into the center. Being German I can't say much about others, but German luxury might be the least similar. Based no doubt on there having been a time when generational wealth was going all in on understatement not by choice, but because showing off would have inspired curiosity about how exactly that wealth found its way into the second half of the 20th century. And then with the tone being set, those who actually did make their fortune post-war followed the pattern.
- whamlastxmas 3y ago
  This is annoyingly wrong. The root reason is they record when it’s in sentry mode and it’s saved to the cloud so you can view footage on your phone. It isn’t some evil plan to maliciously record people. It’s bothersome that there can’t be rational conversation around anything space man related
  - usrusr 3y ago
    Yeah, that's the obvious motivation at the surface, I never questioned that. The thing is, people who "self-identify as winners" are incapable of seeing any downside to ubiquitous surveillance because if that ever turned against an individual, that individual would cease to be who they think they are. Self-inflicted blindness to all outcomes other than best-case.

I have two cameras in my jeep that are recording at all times. One front and back. It just overwrites its recordings after a time period. Gives me something to report if it's broken into, hit, etc. I'd like an inside camera as well but haven't felt like adding it. Also the Tesla uses Cameras instead of Lidar which is mentioned in the article, so they already had a million cameras they could give a driver access to. Jeep having access to my cameras though? Super weird. Jeep can do literally nothing to assist me in any situation that I would have a recording of something happening. But that's possibly much different with Teslas camera system where it's used for self-driving etc.

andrepd 3y ago
Yes! But you are recording on your own device and nobody else can do anything about it.

alistairSH 3y ago

No idea if this was Tesla’s justification, but it can be useful for hit-and-run while parked. Though Tesla probably did it because they could and Elon said so.

ceejayoz 3y ago

"Sentry mode". If someone keys your car, you get several high-resolution camera recordings of the crime.

throwaway3478 3y ago
And several of your own crime.

usrusr 3y ago

The root reason is that Tesla is made by and for people who assume that they will never ever be at the receiving end of a power imbalance. (edit: to them) More surveillance equals more opportunity to use power, not risk of ending up on the other side. The mindset operates on not identifying with former winners, as in the idea that luck might change e.g. through an unfortunate health development is completely ignored.

oa335 3y ago
Very succinct analysis, I wonder what other brands operate with the same assumption? Also are there any brands that operate under the opposite assumption?
- usrusr 3y ago
  I'm sure the mindset exists everywhere, but others are not associated with a person-brand that puts it into the center. Being German I can't say much about others, but German luxury might be the least similar. Based no doubt on there having been a time when generational wealth was going all in on understatement not by choice, but because showing off would have inspired curiosity about how exactly that wealth found its way into the second half of the 20th century. And then with the tone being set, those who actually did make their fortune post-war followed the pattern.
whamlastxmas 3y ago
This is annoyingly wrong. The root reason is they record when it’s in sentry mode and it’s saved to the cloud so you can view footage on your phone. It isn’t some evil plan to maliciously record people. It’s bothersome that there can’t be rational conversation around anything space man related
- usrusr 3y ago
  Yeah, that's the obvious motivation at the surface, I never questioned that. The thing is, people who "self-identify as winners" are incapable of seeing any downside to ubiquitous surveillance because if that ever turned against an individual, that individual would cease to be who they think they are. Self-inflicted blindness to all outcomes other than best-case.