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I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) h

by screye 3y ago

I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) happily pay for spotify, so your point still stands. I refuse to pay for a streaming platform that's not Netflix or prime. The former benefits from being grand fathered in and the latter is a free bonus on something I would buy anyway. It also sucks that cancelling a subscription is as hard as it is. If you want me to pay to watch 1 specific TV show, then give me a payment plan that allows me to pay for an expiring subscription. Simple.

jjulius 3y ago
>Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. Convenient for users, but you'd be hard-pressed to find artists who are content with the payments they get from Spotify. And that's across the spectrum, from world-famous pop artists to indie artists struggling to get heard. I'm huge into music so I'm "OK" with Spotify for the sake of convenience and all that, but if people are really digging a piece of music then please buy it directly from the label, the artist, etc. via other means, if possible.
- selfmodruntime 3y ago
  >Convenient for users, but you'd be hard-pressed to find artists who are content with the payments they get from Spotify. And that's across the spectrum, from world-famous pop artists to indie artists struggling to get heard. You're aware that you're in a thread for a tool which circumvents payments?
  - jjulius 3y ago
    Well aware, but thanks for that snark. Might as well still ask people to support artists they love in a thread related to pirating, right?
    - MPSimmons 3y ago
      I think it's mostly orthogonal. Pirating music only takes money away from artists in the case that you were going to buy their music, and don't now because you downloaded a file, which is probably the vast minority of downloads, I would guess. On the other hand, there are a ton of ways to support artists if you have the means, whether it's attending shows, buying merch, or what have you, none of which can be properly "pirated" in this sense.
      - jjulius 3y ago
        Oh sure. It even gets more nuanced than that, which can make figuring out how to support them a bit of a challenge. Some artists will release music streaming-only and then tour and make their cash that way, others (looking at you, Bibio) never tour and rely on sales of their music.
    - selfmodruntime 3y ago
      in my opinion, you're much better off buying merch / vinyls online.
      - jjulius 3y ago
        Right, which is why I said... >... if people are really digging a piece of music then please buy it directly from the label, the artist, etc. via other means, if possible.
        pxoe 3y ago
        while this is adorable and maybe even is "giving more to the artist" if ever true, do artists only deserve to be paid only when someone "decides to pony up for an album"? that's a nice $10+ hurdle that will ensure it happens as rarely as possible. even $1 for a single song is apparently enough of a hurdle. do artists not deserve to be paid if their song is just being played? it's just stiffing artists, whose music continues to play for free, for even that way of getting paid.
- Moru 3y ago
  The reason artists are not happy with Spotify is because their record label takes 80% of the small profit they would get from streaming. I saw an interview with a swedish artist that was quite happy with the streaming money thanks to not having signed under any label. All the money goes directly to him.
  - geden 3y ago
    It’s more complex than that. A major reason artists don’t like Spotify because Spotify shows the number of track streams and regular listeners. This has a huge negative effect on many artists mental health. Artists signed to Major label’s might get <20% of Spotify’s payment (often substantially less than that after the various spurious desuctions). Indie labels frequently pay 50% of net profits though. Spotify’s rate per stream is certainly low. And they are in no way artist friendly. (I manage artists).
    - Moru 3y ago
      Thanks for the confirmation, this is what I have seen talked about for a long time. I'm so sad for all those artists bound to big labels. Believe the pirates are costing them money when they could be their biggest advertisement board. I would preffer not to fuel the whole record industry when I know the artists creating the actual art gets such a small cut. Not only the singer or the song writers but album artists, sound engineers and so on. And I have seen some of the "various spurious desuctions" on paper, it's insane but good name for it. I guess a lot of older artists that made it young would do it differently if they knew more about how the rest of the world works.
- jonplackett 3y ago
  The solution isn’t to then pay them nothing
  - jjulius 3y ago
    Did you miss the part where I implored people to buy music they love? Perhaps the "if possible" part at the end confused you. That was referring to times when artists only release music on streaming platforms and you can't buy it anywhere.
- anta40 3y ago
  Indeed. Spotify is convenient but the audio files are locked and cannot be easily copied to another devices. Buying the CD/audio files don't pose that issue.
fullstop 3y ago
I pay for Prime, and we're soon to have ads unless you pay more to remove them. I wouldn't feel bad taking to the high seas while keeping the prime subscription. I'm at the point with other services where I will subscribe for a month or two in a given year, watch full seasons of what I want, and then cancel. Things like Max / Discovery / Whatever they call themselves this year are making this more difficult by removing content. In some cases, it's difficult to find a legit place to watch it, with Raised by Wolves and Westworld being prime examples. Maybe I'll just read more books instead.
- tombert 3y ago
  Yeah, in regards to HBO Max, I signed up a couple years ago specifically to watch cartoons like Close Enough and Infinity Train. Not only were both those shows canceled but they were purged from HBO Max for streaming entirely. I managed to buy legit copies of Infinity Train on Amazon, but now the only way that I am aware of to watch Close Enough is piracy. The recent Amazon “pay us more or you get ads” thing feels a bit rent-seekey to me. I don’t watch Prime enough to justify paying an extra $3/month, and so I think what’s going to happen to me is that I just stop watching Prime entirely. What really frustrates me is that companies are basically stopping releasing Blu-Rays, particularly for TV shows. I have over 400 legitimately purchased movies about about 40 complete series in Blu-Ray; I am more than happy to support creators by paying them a reasonable compensation, what I don’t want to do is pay those creators forever for the privilege of watching the same thing over and over.
dangus 3y ago
> then give me a payment plan that allows me to pay for an expiring subscription. Simple. All the streaming services do that. You just subscribe then immediately cancel. You’ll get service for a month until your time runs out.
k__ 3y ago
"Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets" That doesn't mean that an alternative client isn't more convenient. We don't need a bunch of corps gatekeep human culture from people just because they live in the wrong country...

by screye 3y ago

jjulius 3y ago

>Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. Convenient for users, but you'd be hard-pressed to find artists who are content with the payments they get from Spotify. And that's across the spectrum, from world-famous pop artists to indie artists struggling to get heard. I'm huge into music so I'm "OK" with Spotify for the sake of convenience and all that, but if people are really digging a piece of music then please buy it directly from the label, the artist, etc. via other means, if possible.

selfmodruntime 3y ago
>Convenient for users, but you'd be hard-pressed to find artists who are content with the payments they get from Spotify. And that's across the spectrum, from world-famous pop artists to indie artists struggling to get heard. You're aware that you're in a thread for a tool which circumvents payments?
- jjulius 3y ago
  Well aware, but thanks for that snark. Might as well still ask people to support artists they love in a thread related to pirating, right?
  - MPSimmons 3y ago
    I think it's mostly orthogonal. Pirating music only takes money away from artists in the case that you were going to buy their music, and don't now because you downloaded a file, which is probably the vast minority of downloads, I would guess. On the other hand, there are a ton of ways to support artists if you have the means, whether it's attending shows, buying merch, or what have you, none of which can be properly "pirated" in this sense.
    - jjulius 3y ago
      Oh sure. It even gets more nuanced than that, which can make figuring out how to support them a bit of a challenge. Some artists will release music streaming-only and then tour and make their cash that way, others (looking at you, Bibio) never tour and rely on sales of their music.
  - selfmodruntime 3y ago
    in my opinion, you're much better off buying merch / vinyls online.
    - jjulius 3y ago
      Right, which is why I said... >... if people are really digging a piece of music then please buy it directly from the label, the artist, etc. via other means, if possible.
      - pxoe 3y ago
        while this is adorable and maybe even is "giving more to the artist" if ever true, do artists only deserve to be paid only when someone "decides to pony up for an album"? that's a nice $10+ hurdle that will ensure it happens as rarely as possible. even $1 for a single song is apparently enough of a hurdle. do artists not deserve to be paid if their song is just being played? it's just stiffing artists, whose music continues to play for free, for even that way of getting paid.
Moru 3y ago
The reason artists are not happy with Spotify is because their record label takes 80% of the small profit they would get from streaming. I saw an interview with a swedish artist that was quite happy with the streaming money thanks to not having signed under any label. All the money goes directly to him.
- geden 3y ago
  It’s more complex than that. A major reason artists don’t like Spotify because Spotify shows the number of track streams and regular listeners. This has a huge negative effect on many artists mental health. Artists signed to Major label’s might get <20% of Spotify’s payment (often substantially less than that after the various spurious desuctions). Indie labels frequently pay 50% of net profits though. Spotify’s rate per stream is certainly low. And they are in no way artist friendly. (I manage artists).
  - Moru 3y ago
    Thanks for the confirmation, this is what I have seen talked about for a long time. I'm so sad for all those artists bound to big labels. Believe the pirates are costing them money when they could be their biggest advertisement board. I would preffer not to fuel the whole record industry when I know the artists creating the actual art gets such a small cut. Not only the singer or the song writers but album artists, sound engineers and so on. And I have seen some of the "various spurious desuctions" on paper, it's insane but good name for it. I guess a lot of older artists that made it young would do it differently if they knew more about how the rest of the world works.
jonplackett 3y ago
The solution isn’t to then pay them nothing
- jjulius 3y ago
  Did you miss the part where I implored people to buy music they love? Perhaps the "if possible" part at the end confused you. That was referring to times when artists only release music on streaming platforms and you can't buy it anywhere.
anta40 3y ago
Indeed. Spotify is convenient but the audio files are locked and cannot be easily copied to another devices. Buying the CD/audio files don't pose that issue.

fullstop 3y ago

I pay for Prime, and we're soon to have ads unless you pay more to remove them. I wouldn't feel bad taking to the high seas while keeping the prime subscription. I'm at the point with other services where I will subscribe for a month or two in a given year, watch full seasons of what I want, and then cancel. Things like Max / Discovery / Whatever they call themselves this year are making this more difficult by removing content. In some cases, it's difficult to find a legit place to watch it, with Raised by Wolves and Westworld being prime examples. Maybe I'll just read more books instead.

tombert 3y ago
Yeah, in regards to HBO Max, I signed up a couple years ago specifically to watch cartoons like Close Enough and Infinity Train. Not only were both those shows canceled but they were purged from HBO Max for streaming entirely. I managed to buy legit copies of Infinity Train on Amazon, but now the only way that I am aware of to watch Close Enough is piracy. The recent Amazon “pay us more or you get ads” thing feels a bit rent-seekey to me. I don’t watch Prime enough to justify paying an extra $3/month, and so I think what’s going to happen to me is that I just stop watching Prime entirely. What really frustrates me is that companies are basically stopping releasing Blu-Rays, particularly for TV shows. I have over 400 legitimately purchased movies about about 40 complete series in Blu-Ray; I am more than happy to support creators by paying them a reasonable compensation, what I don’t want to do is pay those creators forever for the privilege of watching the same thing over and over.

dangus 3y ago

> then give me a payment plan that allows me to pay for an expiring subscription. Simple. All the streaming services do that. You just subscribe then immediately cancel. You’ll get service for a month until your time runs out.

k__ 3y ago

"Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets" That doesn't mean that an alternative client isn't more convenient. We don't need a bunch of corps gatekeep human culture from people just because they live in the wrong country...