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They’re calling this a business priority for the Republicans when it was a Republican House, Senate and President that passed this measure. That’s a bit too “m

They’re calling this a business priority for the Republicans when it was a Republican House, Senate and President that passed this measure. That’s a bit too “must make it seem bipartisan” when there is a clear partisan direction. Even when this fix is passed, it will be voted for unanimously by Democrats and only a small fraction of Republicans will vote for it. Explain again to me how that makes it a Republican priority as opposed to a priority of the endangered species that is the Pro Business Republicans?

pclmulqdq 3y ago
You should note that these sorts of tax law changes are largely a revenue game: Someone wants to cut some other tax, so they find a place to raise taxes elsewhere without thinking about the consequences. But also, the vast majority of people employed by R&D-heavy companies are Democrats, so it's hard to impute motive one way or the other.
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- ecocentrik 3y ago
  Independent/unaffiliated voters are now 47% of the electorate in the US so that last statement probably doesn't hold water. Are educated voters, regardless of party affiliation, more likely to vote for serious candidates that focus on issue resolution over culture signaling? Sometimes, but that no longer has much to do with party affiliation.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
    Of those 47% independent, what fraction consistently vote for a particular party?
    - Gormo 3y ago
      By definition, none of them, or they'd be identified as supporters of that party, not independents.
      - 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
        Party affiliation is self reported. You can be lifelong “independent” and vote straight ticket red/blue.
        ecocentrik 3y ago
        I'd argue that voting predominantly for one party or another doesn't identify the unaffiliated individual as a member of the party who's candidates they vote for. It absolutely doesn't identify the whole unaffiliated voting block as having any secret party affiliation. Telling the whole party system to take a hike is an active choice and it happens in counties that only allow a single political party as often as it happens in countries like the US where there are only really two choices.
      - bencpeters 3y ago
        I don't think that's the definition usually used for "independent" when talking about voter affiliation. US politics has a long history of people telling pollsters (and filling out voter affiliation info in actual elections) that they aren't affiliated with a specific party because political parties have generally historically been seen pretty negatively in the US. In reality, many of these self-identified "independent" voters have voting records that are heavily skewed (if not straight-ticket) to one party or another. I don't have actual numbers on what % of independents this is (I too am interested in the parent's question on this matter), but it's definitely not a "definitionally, none" answer.
- behringer 3y ago
  Makes sense. If there's anything Republicans hate the most it's the little guy.
nullc 3y ago
> Even when this fix is passed, it will be voted for unanimously by Democrats and only a small fraction of Republicans will vote for it. Like the unanimous democrat vote to repeal the SALT limits that overwhelming impacts people in California and NY?
- tchock23 3y ago
  Nice whataboutism. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
  - nullc 3y ago
    It's was part of the very same tax package and implemented for the same reason: It made the trump tax cuts look economically more reasonable by sticking in time delayed increases on tax burdens that would land on disproportionately on democrats. Yet democrats were unable to undo it because dem platform programs need the funding. On what basis will it be different here? Dems are almost completely disengaged on the bill intended to fix this, almost all the activity for and against appears to be republicans. Addicted's confident statement "Even when this fix is passed, it will be voted for unanimously by Democrats" seems misplaced and unlikely. If that were likely we would have seen broad dems support on fixing the SALT tax limits and we just didn't.
jjav 3y ago
A lot of politics consists of quietly creating problems and then loudly coming in with tons of press coverage to solve it later so you look good and get reelected. I wish there was a good way to prevent such behavior.
- hasty_pudding 3y ago
  unrelated to anything in this thread but I've noticed a lot of tech is like that as well. lol

pclmulqdq 3y ago

You should note that these sorts of tax law changes are largely a revenue game: Someone wants to cut some other tax, so they find a place to raise taxes elsewhere without thinking about the consequences. But also, the vast majority of people employed by R&D-heavy companies are Democrats, so it's hard to impute motive one way or the other.

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ecocentrik 3y ago
Independent/unaffiliated voters are now 47% of the electorate in the US so that last statement probably doesn't hold water. Are educated voters, regardless of party affiliation, more likely to vote for serious candidates that focus on issue resolution over culture signaling? Sometimes, but that no longer has much to do with party affiliation.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  Of those 47% independent, what fraction consistently vote for a particular party?
  - Gormo 3y ago
    By definition, none of them, or they'd be identified as supporters of that party, not independents.
    - 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
      Party affiliation is self reported. You can be lifelong “independent” and vote straight ticket red/blue.
      - ecocentrik 3y ago
        I'd argue that voting predominantly for one party or another doesn't identify the unaffiliated individual as a member of the party who's candidates they vote for. It absolutely doesn't identify the whole unaffiliated voting block as having any secret party affiliation. Telling the whole party system to take a hike is an active choice and it happens in counties that only allow a single political party as often as it happens in countries like the US where there are only really two choices.
    - bencpeters 3y ago
      I don't think that's the definition usually used for "independent" when talking about voter affiliation. US politics has a long history of people telling pollsters (and filling out voter affiliation info in actual elections) that they aren't affiliated with a specific party because political parties have generally historically been seen pretty negatively in the US. In reality, many of these self-identified "independent" voters have voting records that are heavily skewed (if not straight-ticket) to one party or another. I don't have actual numbers on what % of independents this is (I too am interested in the parent's question on this matter), but it's definitely not a "definitionally, none" answer.
behringer 3y ago
Makes sense. If there's anything Republicans hate the most it's the little guy.

nullc 3y ago

> Even when this fix is passed, it will be voted for unanimously by Democrats and only a small fraction of Republicans will vote for it. Like the unanimous democrat vote to repeal the SALT limits that overwhelming impacts people in California and NY?

tchock23 3y ago
Nice whataboutism. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
- nullc 3y ago
  It's was part of the very same tax package and implemented for the same reason: It made the trump tax cuts look economically more reasonable by sticking in time delayed increases on tax burdens that would land on disproportionately on democrats. Yet democrats were unable to undo it because dem platform programs need the funding. On what basis will it be different here? Dems are almost completely disengaged on the bill intended to fix this, almost all the activity for and against appears to be republicans. Addicted's confident statement "Even when this fix is passed, it will be voted for unanimously by Democrats" seems misplaced and unlikely. If that were likely we would have seen broad dems support on fixing the SALT tax limits and we just didn't.

jjav 3y ago

A lot of politics consists of quietly creating problems and then loudly coming in with tons of press coverage to solve it later so you look good and get reelected. I wish there was a good way to prevent such behavior.

hasty_pudding 3y ago
unrelated to anything in this thread but I've noticed a lot of tech is like that as well. lol