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Do you think so? I can see the AI being trained with crowdsourced input like "does picture A look more like a Mondrian than picture B".
by jkic47 3y ago
Do you think so? I can see the AI being trained with crowdsourced input like "does picture A look more like a Mondrian than picture B".
- viraptor 3y agoYou're still screwing Mondrian in this case and the training system would not exist without Mondrian.
- skerit 3y agoIt's a bad example anyway since Mondriaan has been dead since 1944 and all copyright on his works have expired.
- jazzyjackson 3y agohehehe speaking of, IMO there would be a lot less hullabaloo around OpenAI being derived from unlicensed works if we reverted copyright to 14 years like the constitution says (well, copyright act of 1790) Everyone could ingest whatever they want up through 2010 and if they want it to know what the New York Times said after that they can pay for it. The midjourney ceo basically said they couldnt be bothered to reach out to individual artists cuz there's too dang many of them, and for that I can sympathize - too much work remains off limits
- jkic47 3y agoTake a minute to extend your argument, and it will fall apart: SNL is "screwing" Trump/Biden because their jokes wouldn't exist without Trump/Biden. Movie critics are "screwing" actors, because the review wouldn't exist without the movie.
- jazzyjackson 3y agothat's a fair counter but there are laws about this, and your examples are parody and commentary, neither of which effect the market value of the original the "screwing" is in the form of getting paid for reselling the work of others (depriving the others of the ability to sell their own work - less downloading a movie for free and more like selling bootlegs in front of the record store), not merely being, like, chronologically dependent.
- jkic47 3y agoI agree that my examples are about parody and commentary, and I apologize that my intent wasn't clear. I was trying to convey that a derivative work made by studying the original (Mondrian / Biden / Trump speech) should be OK. Like Admiral Cloudberg or Mentour Pilot can take an air-crash investigation and make it more compelling than a Mayday documentary, or, indeed, the FAA report itself. They use the same base material, but sculpt it into something perhaps more compelling. The fact that an AI does this instead of a human seems irrelevant.
- viraptor 3y agoSNL jokes are not in the same category. They're not "a speech like Trump's" which would bring nothing new, but jokes based on those. The whole post from Nick Cave is about a generated "song in the style of Nick Cave" rather than something novel that takes inspiration from his songs.