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The only defintion that matters is the practical definition that most people would think of, not what the “book” says. Whenever someone tells me “production is

The only defintion that matters is the practical definition that most people would think of, not what the “book” says. Whenever someone tells me “production is down” I think that customers are screwed. If they told me our internal email servers are down, I would smack them in the head cause my stress levels went up for nothing. Internal servers is not production.

thanksgiving 3y ago
I think I disagree but we might be in agreement based on your thoughts… internal servers that are in the path of data pipelines that customers need are also production. For example, let’s say you have a warehouse and there is some way to manage inventory in there. No customer goes into Microsoft dynamics themselves. However, this Microsoft dynamics is production because our customers rely on the data this provides. It doesn’t matter to customers if Microsoft teams is down and we are talking to each other internally using iMessage and signal but anything that is in the data path is production.
fauigerzigerk 3y ago
But we're not talking about a service outage. In the context of an outage at a service provider I might agree with you. In this instance, a system used by the cybersecurity team to do its actual job was breached - not some development or testing server. We don't know what it was exactly that these attackers were looking for or what they found. But it is absolutely possible that the information they gained enables them to protect an ongoing or future attack against Microsoft's customers.
mdekkers 3y ago
> Internal servers is not production. I’m going to take a wild guess here and say you don’t really run any kind of system. “Internal is not production” is the weirdest statement I have heard in a long time. Of course these systems are production. Not only production, but _P1_ level production.

thanksgiving 3y ago

I think I disagree but we might be in agreement based on your thoughts… internal servers that are in the path of data pipelines that customers need are also production. For example, let’s say you have a warehouse and there is some way to manage inventory in there. No customer goes into Microsoft dynamics themselves. However, this Microsoft dynamics is production because our customers rely on the data this provides. It doesn’t matter to customers if Microsoft teams is down and we are talking to each other internally using iMessage and signal but anything that is in the data path is production.

fauigerzigerk 3y ago

But we're not talking about a service outage. In the context of an outage at a service provider I might agree with you. In this instance, a system used by the cybersecurity team to do its actual job was breached - not some development or testing server. We don't know what it was exactly that these attackers were looking for or what they found. But it is absolutely possible that the information they gained enables them to protect an ongoing or future attack against Microsoft's customers.

mdekkers 3y ago

> Internal servers is not production. I’m going to take a wild guess here and say you don’t really run any kind of system. “Internal is not production” is the weirdest statement I have heard in a long time. Of course these systems are production. Not only production, but _P1_ level production.