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The post if you want to read it directly: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b98b29cf-27d9-49e0-b10b-1848399badfd@kittens.ph/T/#u https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b98b29c

by mike_d 3y ago

The post if you want to read it directly: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b98b29cf-27d9-49e0-b10b-1848399badfd@kittens.ph/T/#u https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b98b29cf-27d9-49e0-b10b-1848399...

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dale_glass 3y ago
They sent that to a LKML and didn't get a single reply to it? Curious. I think maybe somebody should re-post the request to credit the 3 developers, because that is directly relevant to LKML and may have gotten lost in the middle of all the text.
- Macha 3y ago
  Some may have been involved in Linux at the time and this raises unhappy memories. Some may consider his action unforgiveable. Some may have butted heads with Hans Reiser in the past and be uninterested in his words because of their personal opinion. Some may be uninterested in the poster (the 8chan founder, not a regular Linux contributor). Some may see themselves as representatives of their employer and worry any response could be a PR risk if it gets interpreted as sympathizing with a murderer, or alternatively kicking a man while he's down.
  - daniel_reetz 3y ago
    Also, people may simply not remember him. We are all the center of our own worlds.
- lazide 3y ago
  Would you respond to the unabombers manifesto if he posted it on HN?
  - dale_glass 3y ago
    I'm not saying you have to like the guy (I don't), but the request for credit was reasonable, and if they did work then they deserve to be credited, even if a horrible person is the one pointing it out.
    - lazide 3y ago
      The unabomber also had a point about modern society, even if his proposed course of action to address them was counter productive and insane. No one sane I can think of is going to reference the unabomber manifesto in their public policy document proposing fixing any of those problems in an actually sane way, because most folks who would read that are going to automatically assume the person shares values or sympathies with the Unabomber. And the Unabomber was a literal terrorist nut job, even if he was brilliant in some other areas. Which is bad for the writer. So I’m sure those folks will get some credit, just not in a way that will reference that email and hence draw an association with a convicted murderer who was also a major asshole to most of his co-contributors. Guilt by association exists, even if irrational and it causes shitty outcomes sometines. If someone has something to lose with their public persona, it’s a good idea to not associate with problematic people because of it.

by mike_d 3y ago

The post if you want to read it directly: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b98b29cf-27d9-49e0-b10b-1848399badfd@kittens.ph/T/#u https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b98b29cf-27d9-49e0-b10b-1848399...

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dale_glass 3y ago

They sent that to a LKML and didn't get a single reply to it? Curious. I think maybe somebody should re-post the request to credit the 3 developers, because that is directly relevant to LKML and may have gotten lost in the middle of all the text.

Macha 3y ago
Some may have been involved in Linux at the time and this raises unhappy memories. Some may consider his action unforgiveable. Some may have butted heads with Hans Reiser in the past and be uninterested in his words because of their personal opinion. Some may be uninterested in the poster (the 8chan founder, not a regular Linux contributor). Some may see themselves as representatives of their employer and worry any response could be a PR risk if it gets interpreted as sympathizing with a murderer, or alternatively kicking a man while he's down.
- daniel_reetz 3y ago
  Also, people may simply not remember him. We are all the center of our own worlds.
lazide 3y ago
Would you respond to the unabombers manifesto if he posted it on HN?
- dale_glass 3y ago
  I'm not saying you have to like the guy (I don't), but the request for credit was reasonable, and if they did work then they deserve to be credited, even if a horrible person is the one pointing it out.
  - lazide 3y ago
    The unabomber also had a point about modern society, even if his proposed course of action to address them was counter productive and insane. No one sane I can think of is going to reference the unabomber manifesto in their public policy document proposing fixing any of those problems in an actually sane way, because most folks who would read that are going to automatically assume the person shares values or sympathies with the Unabomber. And the Unabomber was a literal terrorist nut job, even if he was brilliant in some other areas. Which is bad for the writer. So I’m sure those folks will get some credit, just not in a way that will reference that email and hence draw an association with a convicted murderer who was also a major asshole to most of his co-contributors. Guilt by association exists, even if irrational and it causes shitty outcomes sometines. If someone has something to lose with their public persona, it’s a good idea to not associate with problematic people because of it.