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We're "incredibly servile"? Seriously? Go soak your head. We're "incredibly servile" because of the lack of social safety net programs, healthcare being tied t

We're "incredibly servile"? Seriously? Go soak your head. We're "incredibly servile" because of the lack of social safety net programs, healthcare being tied to employment, and wages being so shit compared to CoL that most Americans are about a paycheck or two from being broke. And there's little we can do about it thanks to Citizens United.

randomdata 3y ago
> healthcare being tied to employment He said America, not United States of America. America refers to the combined area of North, South, and Central America. Of which Canada is a part, and, as it happens, Canada is where this took place. Healthcare is not tied to employment in Canada. > We're "incredibly servile" because of the lack of social safety net programs All employees in Ontario are covered under a collective agreement that asserts employers will not terminate employment for reasons related to health. Employees who stayed in their cars had no reason to fear for their job. However, they probably did have good reason to fear the mob of people who had nowhere warm to go. Remember, this warehouse is in the middle of a farmer's field. The nearest settlement is several kilometres away, and the nearest settlement with any reasonable public place to shelter in is tens of kilometres away. There would be no other practical place to go to stay warm other than a car, but not everyone would have a car available to go to. There are other ways to get to work that don't leave you with a personal space heater at your beck and call.
- ihattendorf 3y ago
  > He said America, not United States of America. America refers to the combined area of North, South, and Central America. Of which Canada is a part, and, as it happens, Canada is where this took place. Healthcare is not tied to employment in Canada. Sorry, what? The user they're replying to said American, and also referenced a case in court with a Marshal which IIRC don't exist in Canada. They were clearly referring to the US. Which 99% of users who aren't needlessly obtuse would understand with the word American which in English typically refers to someone from the US and not North/South/Central America. Obviously the article is talking about Canada, but many people in this comment section don't appear to have noticed that and think it happened in the US.
impossiblefork 3y ago
Yes, it has causes, but the second case I mentioned can't be caused by the healthcare stuff, but is actually strict authority obedience, which I think has its origin in impunity for authorities. The marshal and judge simply would not have been obeyed. Rather they would have faced physical resistance, and possibly have been beaten up or worse, and no one would have been punished for it-- certainly they would have been disarmed.

randomdata 3y ago

> healthcare being tied to employment He said America, not United States of America. America refers to the combined area of North, South, and Central America. Of which Canada is a part, and, as it happens, Canada is where this took place. Healthcare is not tied to employment in Canada. > We're "incredibly servile" because of the lack of social safety net programs All employees in Ontario are covered under a collective agreement that asserts employers will not terminate employment for reasons related to health. Employees who stayed in their cars had no reason to fear for their job. However, they probably did have good reason to fear the mob of people who had nowhere warm to go. Remember, this warehouse is in the middle of a farmer's field. The nearest settlement is several kilometres away, and the nearest settlement with any reasonable public place to shelter in is tens of kilometres away. There would be no other practical place to go to stay warm other than a car, but not everyone would have a car available to go to. There are other ways to get to work that don't leave you with a personal space heater at your beck and call.

ihattendorf 3y ago
> He said America, not United States of America. America refers to the combined area of North, South, and Central America. Of which Canada is a part, and, as it happens, Canada is where this took place. Healthcare is not tied to employment in Canada. Sorry, what? The user they're replying to said American, and also referenced a case in court with a Marshal which IIRC don't exist in Canada. They were clearly referring to the US. Which 99% of users who aren't needlessly obtuse would understand with the word American which in English typically refers to someone from the US and not North/South/Central America. Obviously the article is talking about Canada, but many people in this comment section don't appear to have noticed that and think it happened in the US.

impossiblefork 3y ago

Yes, it has causes, but the second case I mentioned can't be caused by the healthcare stuff, but is actually strict authority obedience, which I think has its origin in impunity for authorities. The marshal and judge simply would not have been obeyed. Rather they would have faced physical resistance, and possibly have been beaten up or worse, and no one would have been punished for it-- certainly they would have been disarmed.