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Curious who these people are that stay awake at night worrying about immigration. I think about it all the time but lament that immigration isn’t higher. The US

Curious who these people are that stay awake at night worrying about immigration. I think about it all the time but lament that immigration isn’t higher. The US needs to reform immigration policy and let more people in IMHO.

Izkata 3y ago
There are more people entering the country illegally (and that's even just the ones we know about) than there are native births, and you want more?
- mcphage 3y ago
  Yes. Because the native births number is going down, and that isn’t good for our country at all.
- hindsightbias 3y ago
  All of them. Who is going to flip your burgers?
  - rayiner 3y ago
    That’s a common sentiment, but I think it undermines American egalitarianism, and, ultimately, our notion of self-governance. When your class of “burger flippers” is also foreign, that can’t help but accentuate class differences. Burgers should cost what’s needed to pay an American with deep roots in the country to flip the burgers. I think it would be morally beneficial for people if the employees flipping burgers or serving them at restaurants were their neighbors’ kids.
    - mcphage 3y ago
      > I think it would be morally beneficial for people if the employees flipping burgers or serving them at restaurants were their neighbors’ kids. Yes, exactly—that’s why we should let everyone in.
      - rayiner 3y ago
        If you let everyone in, then the service jobs will be done by a class of foreigners, where language, religion, and cultural barriers with the native population accentuate class barriers. You see this in most coastal cities today.
        mcphage 3y ago
        > You see this in most coastal cities today. We’ve been able to see that for the entire history of this country, as successive waves of immigrants have settled in this country. It’s how America works.
        rayiner 3y ago
        What you’re talking about is a 20th century phenomenon. Immigrants in the 19th century came and established their own communities, rather than becoming a class of service workers. The trend you’re talking about started with 20th century immigration to cities. That later immigration trend coincided with the decline of American self government. Instead of establishing self-governing communities like German and Scottish immigrants, the Italians and Irish that came to America as a service class were co-opted into machine and ethnic-bloc politics.
kortilla 3y ago
People in the south. A huge population of unskilled and undocumented immigrants is not good for a community. There are only so many under the table jobs
rayiner 3y ago
The things you like about America are a product of the culture of Americans. My parents, from Bangladesh, are deeply different from my wife’s parents, who came to America before the Revolutionary War. If my ancestors had built America it would look very different than what it looks like today. If you think America is pretty good—and I do, my family left our homeland to come here—it seems reasonable to worry that the cultural changes wrought by immigration could mess up a good thing.

Izkata 3y ago

There are more people entering the country illegally (and that's even just the ones we know about) than there are native births, and you want more?

mcphage 3y ago
Yes. Because the native births number is going down, and that isn’t good for our country at all.
hindsightbias 3y ago
All of them. Who is going to flip your burgers?
- rayiner 3y ago
  That’s a common sentiment, but I think it undermines American egalitarianism, and, ultimately, our notion of self-governance. When your class of “burger flippers” is also foreign, that can’t help but accentuate class differences. Burgers should cost what’s needed to pay an American with deep roots in the country to flip the burgers. I think it would be morally beneficial for people if the employees flipping burgers or serving them at restaurants were their neighbors’ kids.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > I think it would be morally beneficial for people if the employees flipping burgers or serving them at restaurants were their neighbors’ kids. Yes, exactly—that’s why we should let everyone in.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      If you let everyone in, then the service jobs will be done by a class of foreigners, where language, religion, and cultural barriers with the native population accentuate class barriers. You see this in most coastal cities today.
      - mcphage 3y ago
        > You see this in most coastal cities today. We’ve been able to see that for the entire history of this country, as successive waves of immigrants have settled in this country. It’s how America works.
        rayiner 3y ago
        What you’re talking about is a 20th century phenomenon. Immigrants in the 19th century came and established their own communities, rather than becoming a class of service workers. The trend you’re talking about started with 20th century immigration to cities. That later immigration trend coincided with the decline of American self government. Instead of establishing self-governing communities like German and Scottish immigrants, the Italians and Irish that came to America as a service class were co-opted into machine and ethnic-bloc politics.

kortilla 3y ago

People in the south. A huge population of unskilled and undocumented immigrants is not good for a community. There are only so many under the table jobs

rayiner 3y ago

The things you like about America are a product of the culture of Americans. My parents, from Bangladesh, are deeply different from my wife’s parents, who came to America before the Revolutionary War. If my ancestors had built America it would look very different than what it looks like today. If you think America is pretty good—and I do, my family left our homeland to come here—it seems reasonable to worry that the cultural changes wrought by immigration could mess up a good thing.