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No chance in hell it's going to Ukraine. If Russia loses, there is a nuclear powered chaotic nation right next to China which will be it's worst nightmare. The

No chance in hell it's going to Ukraine. If Russia loses, there is a nuclear powered chaotic nation right next to China which will be it's worst nightmare. There is less than zero possibility of China sending anything to Ukraine. These statements are just to mislead the public into thinking they are supporting ukraine.

kube-system 3y ago
I don't think some random Alibaba seller gives a crap about foreign policy over their bottom line.
- drekipus 3y ago
  There is a large amount of nationalism within China. To the point where they will destroy products, livestock, equipment, etc; that would be thought to be for China's "enemies" ie: Japan. It'll just take a moment for the message to get out, and then they'll be rallied to a new hatred, if they need be.
  - parl_match 3y ago
    While they certainly had some really bad practices in the past, and I am no fan of the Chinese government, I find it hard to believe (and condescending) that today they are so cartoonishly self-destructive.
    - drekipus 3y ago
      What experience do you have with Chinese society? I'd suggest you go investigate before dismissal.
      - parl_match 3y ago
        I said government, not society. And extensive, by the way. I have worked with Chinese partners over months. There is a cultural difference for sure, and substantial parts of it that I find onerous, but nothing I would consider to be "foolishly self destructive". And this is all coming from a privileged position.
  - russell_h 3y ago
    Nationalism hasn’t stopped DJI.
- m4rtink 3y ago
  There were already cases where Ukrainians used repurposed drones that looked very similar to various Alibaba listings.
Muromec 3y ago
If russia can buy American chips and Dutch lithography machines through 3rd countries, sure Ukraine can get some drone on ali. Suddenly some farmers in * get obscure country from the list * will decide it’s a good idea to deliver pesticides from the air because reasons. For sure supplier will see right through it and will care about plausible deniability first. The whole titanium cia story happens more often than it doesn’t
gweinberg 3y ago
I think there is already a nuclear powered chaotic nation right next to China. Why would Russia be more dangerous if they lose than if they win?
- flir 3y ago
  I think the idea is that Putin is a stabilizing factor (well, "better the devil you know" might be more accurate), and Russian losing in Ukraine means Putin losing, terminally.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    > Ukraine means Putin losing, terminally Why is that the case?
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      I mean, we've already seen one rebellion over the war not going so well.
  - mullingitover 3y ago
    I'm not sure that an ultra-nationalist electing to launch territory-grabbing wars aggression is viewed by anyone as a stabilizing factor. My guess is that China's realpolitik calculation is to give Russia enough rope to hang itself, then they can quietly scoop up, er, "offer humanitarian assistance to," its eastern half.
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    Putin has been surprisingly tenacious, I'd speculate even in losing the war he'd still be around as long as his body will permit.
- sb057 3y ago
  >I think there is already a nuclear powered chaotic nation right next to China. Four, in fact!
- adeelk93 3y ago
T-A 3y ago
I can think of "one big client in UKR [Ukraine]" which isn't Ukraine and is already using this kind of drone.
lupusreal 3y ago
"big client in Ukraine" could conceivably mean Russian military/mercenary forces who are literally in Ukraine, having invaded Ukraine. Maybe a confusing way of phrasing it due to translation?

kube-system 3y ago

I don't think some random Alibaba seller gives a crap about foreign policy over their bottom line.

drekipus 3y ago
There is a large amount of nationalism within China. To the point where they will destroy products, livestock, equipment, etc; that would be thought to be for China's "enemies" ie: Japan. It'll just take a moment for the message to get out, and then they'll be rallied to a new hatred, if they need be.
- parl_match 3y ago
  While they certainly had some really bad practices in the past, and I am no fan of the Chinese government, I find it hard to believe (and condescending) that today they are so cartoonishly self-destructive.
  - drekipus 3y ago
    What experience do you have with Chinese society? I'd suggest you go investigate before dismissal.
    - parl_match 3y ago
      I said government, not society. And extensive, by the way. I have worked with Chinese partners over months. There is a cultural difference for sure, and substantial parts of it that I find onerous, but nothing I would consider to be "foolishly self destructive". And this is all coming from a privileged position.
- russell_h 3y ago
  Nationalism hasn’t stopped DJI.
m4rtink 3y ago
There were already cases where Ukrainians used repurposed drones that looked very similar to various Alibaba listings.

Muromec 3y ago

If russia can buy American chips and Dutch lithography machines through 3rd countries, sure Ukraine can get some drone on ali. Suddenly some farmers in * get obscure country from the list * will decide it’s a good idea to deliver pesticides from the air because reasons. For sure supplier will see right through it and will care about plausible deniability first. The whole titanium cia story happens more often than it doesn’t

gweinberg 3y ago

I think there is already a nuclear powered chaotic nation right next to China. Why would Russia be more dangerous if they lose than if they win?

flir 3y ago
I think the idea is that Putin is a stabilizing factor (well, "better the devil you know" might be more accurate), and Russian losing in Ukraine means Putin losing, terminally.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  > Ukraine means Putin losing, terminally Why is that the case?
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    I mean, we've already seen one rebellion over the war not going so well.
- mullingitover 3y ago
  I'm not sure that an ultra-nationalist electing to launch territory-grabbing wars aggression is viewed by anyone as a stabilizing factor. My guess is that China's realpolitik calculation is to give Russia enough rope to hang itself, then they can quietly scoop up, er, "offer humanitarian assistance to," its eastern half.
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  Putin has been surprisingly tenacious, I'd speculate even in losing the war he'd still be around as long as his body will permit.
sb057 3y ago
>I think there is already a nuclear powered chaotic nation right next to China. Four, in fact!
adeelk93 3y ago

T-A 3y ago

I can think of "one big client in UKR [Ukraine]" which isn't Ukraine and is already using this kind of drone.

lupusreal 3y ago

"big client in Ukraine" could conceivably mean Russian military/mercenary forces who are literally in Ukraine, having invaded Ukraine. Maybe a confusing way of phrasing it due to translation?