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Lese Majeste has nothing to do with this news. Every country has problems.

by greggsy 3y ago

genman 3y ago
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- bobthepanda 3y ago
  at the same time Thailand is no Congo. the reason stuff like this gets downvoted is that it's pretty counterproductive to list a country's sins every single time an article remotely relevant is posted, to have it devolve in to a flame war
  - linhns 3y ago
    And make everyone take extra scrolls.
  - genman 3y ago
    Yes, indeed, it is not, but coincidentally today a person was imprisoned for 50 years for being a little critical about the king of Thailand. 50 years! A young man! It clearly foreshadows this otherwise very good news. Many people I know live considerable time of the year in Thailand and they are very supportive of the country but in my opinion this particular legislation clearly reminds that not everything is good there and there exists a considerable risk to personal freedom. I think that we should be vocal about this and not accept it as a "local peculiarity" - voicing disagreement actually can change the world to a better place as silently accepting a wrongdoing clearly does not. Similarly we should not close our eyes in case of US when it is gravitation toward less freedom. But this news is not about US.
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      > Similarly we should not close our eyes in case of US when it is gravitation toward less freedom. But this news is not about US. - New rare earth metal reserves found in Utah - How will this affect the notorious police-on-black brutality issue?
      - genman 3y ago
        I honestly don't know, but as more money would flow into the state and new jobs would be created then it certainly will affect the social dynamics in some form, possibly affecting also the issue you point out. PS. If you can (e.g. you are an American) then please explain it to a non-American. I looked at the available statistics (deaths by police) and while the overall statics of Utah looks bad, there is also very small black population in Utah, meaning that even small level of serious criminal activity would easily skew the statics and indeed the number of killings by police is usually 1 in a year or even 0 as happened in 2016 and 2023 or 2013 and some extra bad year like 2018 will considerably affect the statistics. So why is Utah notorious but for example Vermont or Oregon is not? Of course to an European the number of people killed by police in US is simply mind blowing. But what is even more mind blowing is number of homicides, especially among young people, but (really) notoriously among black people. Close to 50% of homicide victims are black people but they only form 10% of the population. It is even worse, much worse, when the statics is age and sex adjusted https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7226a9.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7226a9.htm My sincere question is - why to focus on these 12 deaths over 10 years and not on all these close to 100,000 deaths?
- d7udsf 3y ago
  Imagine that this article was about a lithium deposit found in the USA. Would you find it productive / relevant for me to say - Ah! That same country that is going back to the 50s in women's rights? - Ah! That some country that had the most gold medals in the last olympic? I'm guessing not. Why should it be acceptable to say something completely unrelated about Thailand? It's even worse if it's something negative. It would be fine if it were something relevant about Thailand (their mining legislation, for example)
  - genman 3y ago
    First, it has been not found in US and even if it had, it would have been not a sizable share of US economy, but for Thailand it would be. Second it was told most likely because it is the newest news about Thailand https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/world/asia/thailand-sentence-royalty-defamation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/world/asia/thailand-sente... Perhaps it has even become a defining feature of Thailand.
- orthecreedence 3y ago
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  - greggsy 3y ago
    We know. Please don’t put more fuel on a flame war.
    - astrange 3y ago
      The Iraq War was not for oil, so I hope you don't know that part. (That gives it too much credit. It wasn't for /anything/. We didn't get any oil out of it though.)
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  The whataboutism would be to bring up the Thai Royal Family apropos of nothing on the topic of lithium, no? (I honestly can’t tell who are you are agreeing with.)

Lese Majeste has nothing to do with this news. Every country has problems.

genman 3y ago

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bobthepanda 3y ago
at the same time Thailand is no Congo. the reason stuff like this gets downvoted is that it's pretty counterproductive to list a country's sins every single time an article remotely relevant is posted, to have it devolve in to a flame war
- linhns 3y ago
  And make everyone take extra scrolls.
- genman 3y ago
  Yes, indeed, it is not, but coincidentally today a person was imprisoned for 50 years for being a little critical about the king of Thailand. 50 years! A young man! It clearly foreshadows this otherwise very good news. Many people I know live considerable time of the year in Thailand and they are very supportive of the country but in my opinion this particular legislation clearly reminds that not everything is good there and there exists a considerable risk to personal freedom. I think that we should be vocal about this and not accept it as a "local peculiarity" - voicing disagreement actually can change the world to a better place as silently accepting a wrongdoing clearly does not. Similarly we should not close our eyes in case of US when it is gravitation toward less freedom. But this news is not about US.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    > Similarly we should not close our eyes in case of US when it is gravitation toward less freedom. But this news is not about US. - New rare earth metal reserves found in Utah - How will this affect the notorious police-on-black brutality issue?
    - genman 3y ago
      I honestly don't know, but as more money would flow into the state and new jobs would be created then it certainly will affect the social dynamics in some form, possibly affecting also the issue you point out. PS. If you can (e.g. you are an American) then please explain it to a non-American. I looked at the available statistics (deaths by police) and while the overall statics of Utah looks bad, there is also very small black population in Utah, meaning that even small level of serious criminal activity would easily skew the statics and indeed the number of killings by police is usually 1 in a year or even 0 as happened in 2016 and 2023 or 2013 and some extra bad year like 2018 will considerably affect the statistics. So why is Utah notorious but for example Vermont or Oregon is not? Of course to an European the number of people killed by police in US is simply mind blowing. But what is even more mind blowing is number of homicides, especially among young people, but (really) notoriously among black people. Close to 50% of homicide victims are black people but they only form 10% of the population. It is even worse, much worse, when the statics is age and sex adjusted https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7226a9.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7226a9.htm My sincere question is - why to focus on these 12 deaths over 10 years and not on all these close to 100,000 deaths?
d7udsf 3y ago
Imagine that this article was about a lithium deposit found in the USA. Would you find it productive / relevant for me to say - Ah! That same country that is going back to the 50s in women's rights? - Ah! That some country that had the most gold medals in the last olympic? I'm guessing not. Why should it be acceptable to say something completely unrelated about Thailand? It's even worse if it's something negative. It would be fine if it were something relevant about Thailand (their mining legislation, for example)
- genman 3y ago
  First, it has been not found in US and even if it had, it would have been not a sizable share of US economy, but for Thailand it would be. Second it was told most likely because it is the newest news about Thailand https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/world/asia/thailand-sentence-royalty-defamation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/world/asia/thailand-sente... Perhaps it has even become a defining feature of Thailand.
orthecreedence 3y ago
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- greggsy 3y ago
  We know. Please don’t put more fuel on a flame war.
  - astrange 3y ago
    The Iraq War was not for oil, so I hope you don't know that part. (That gives it too much credit. It wasn't for /anything/. We didn't get any oil out of it though.)
avgcorrection 3y ago
The whataboutism would be to bring up the Thai Royal Family apropos of nothing on the topic of lithium, no? (I honestly can’t tell who are you are agreeing with.)