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In Spotify’s case I would wager it has more to do with them not having a core group of empowered and capable iOS engineers. Their app still doesn’t support AirP

In Spotify’s case I would wager it has more to do with them not having a core group of empowered and capable iOS engineers. Their app still doesn’t support AirPlay 2 many years after it was introduced, a feature that solo developers like Marco Arment (Overcast) supported long ago. I suppose it could be some bizarre internal political vendetta against Apple has led them to be unwilling to invest in improving the iOS app, but that seems like an odd strategy.

perryizgr8 3y ago
Why would spotify support a feature that competes against them? Does apple music support spotify connect?
- dijit 3y ago
  If you're serious: because third party apps can absolutely kill first party ones, and they do, all the time. Netflix remains the dominant player over Apple TV+, for example. Chrome remains more dominant than Safari. Outside of Apples specific ecosystem: Do you know anyone who seriously uses Windows Media Player or built-in Calendar/Mail apps? (Outlook is not the built-in). If your third party app is better and has better social capital: it can kill the first-party app. I'm just forgetting which ones completely died because: they are history.
  - tristan957 3y ago
    Where are you getting the figures that Chrome is more dominant than Safari on Apple devices?
    - dijit 3y ago
      Good question! Chrome has 77% market share across desktop operating systems & Safari has 8%: https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ OSX has 16% market share which would indicate thar its somewhere ~around 50% of OSX users using Safari: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide The inference being made here of course that all the remaining people not using Safari are using Chrome which is or course not true; but it shows somewhat the fragility of the incumbent software: as Safari is actually quite good for users, chrome has very few feature advantages compared.
      - frompom 3y ago
        btw using statcounter for browser market share so you're comparing apples to apples says Safari usage is around 19%: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share
        dijit 3y ago
        If OSX has 16% desktop operating system share how can Safari have 19% desktop browser share?
        frompom 3y ago
        They aren't my stats. Just pointing out using one stat from source A and another stat from source B to draw a conclusion when source A has both stats seems like hunting for stats that support a predetermined conclusion.
rchaud 3y ago
> "Once again, Apple has demonstrated that they will stop at nothing to protect the profits they exact on the backs of developers and consumers under their app store monopoly," Spotify said in a statement. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68018618 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68018618
machomaster 3y ago
The example you gave has nothing to do with Apple system specifically. It's all about the bad quality of Spotify in general - be it on iOS, Android or web. They truly are terrible, missing the most basic of features, and this has been the way they operate from the very beginning. A long time ago, during the Flash time, the recurring theme on the Internet was the low quality of engineering in Adobe products. There was a popular response to that whining which superficially sounded like a rebuttal: "Hey, be cool and always remember that not all of the bad programmers are employed by Adobe". I guess there was enough of them to fill all the positions at Spotify.

perryizgr8 3y ago

Why would spotify support a feature that competes against them? Does apple music support spotify connect?

dijit 3y ago
If you're serious: because third party apps can absolutely kill first party ones, and they do, all the time. Netflix remains the dominant player over Apple TV+, for example. Chrome remains more dominant than Safari. Outside of Apples specific ecosystem: Do you know anyone who seriously uses Windows Media Player or built-in Calendar/Mail apps? (Outlook is not the built-in). If your third party app is better and has better social capital: it can kill the first-party app. I'm just forgetting which ones completely died because: they are history.
- tristan957 3y ago
  Where are you getting the figures that Chrome is more dominant than Safari on Apple devices?
  - dijit 3y ago
    Good question! Chrome has 77% market share across desktop operating systems & Safari has 8%: https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ OSX has 16% market share which would indicate thar its somewhere ~around 50% of OSX users using Safari: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide The inference being made here of course that all the remaining people not using Safari are using Chrome which is or course not true; but it shows somewhat the fragility of the incumbent software: as Safari is actually quite good for users, chrome has very few feature advantages compared.
    - frompom 3y ago
      btw using statcounter for browser market share so you're comparing apples to apples says Safari usage is around 19%: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share
      - dijit 3y ago
        If OSX has 16% desktop operating system share how can Safari have 19% desktop browser share?
        frompom 3y ago
        They aren't my stats. Just pointing out using one stat from source A and another stat from source B to draw a conclusion when source A has both stats seems like hunting for stats that support a predetermined conclusion.

rchaud 3y ago

> "Once again, Apple has demonstrated that they will stop at nothing to protect the profits they exact on the backs of developers and consumers under their app store monopoly," Spotify said in a statement. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68018618 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68018618

machomaster 3y ago

The example you gave has nothing to do with Apple system specifically. It's all about the bad quality of Spotify in general - be it on iOS, Android or web. They truly are terrible, missing the most basic of features, and this has been the way they operate from the very beginning. A long time ago, during the Flash time, the recurring theme on the Internet was the low quality of engineering in Adobe products. There was a popular response to that whining which superficially sounded like a rebuttal: "Hey, be cool and always remember that not all of the bad programmers are employed by Adobe". I guess there was enough of them to fill all the positions at Spotify.