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>It should be technically feasible to make setting up backups to your own NAS at home A proper backup is 3 copies, 2 on different media, 1 offsite. Absolutely

>It should be technically feasible to make setting up backups to your own NAS at home A proper backup is 3 copies, 2 on different media, 1 offsite. Absolutely no average person is going to bother with any of that. Three copies? Ridiculous, he will say. 2 different media? I ain't made of money, he will say; also WTF is a "media"? CNN can backup my stuff? 1 offsite? I'm not going to juggle stuff in and out of my bank's safe deposit box, he will say. Cloud storage solves all of those concerns for less than pennies to a byte. >Same for why they do not need to understand a file system just because they have a NAS. Managing a computer of any kind requires understanding them, and that includes understanding file systems. Most people do not understand file systems, please stop telling them to because it's never going to happen. >I don’t know what WTF means here. "What the fuck" as in "WTF is '1TB'?", "WTF do I do with 1TB?", and "WTF is a 'NAS'?". Remember, we are talking about average people. Not computer wizards and sysadmins like most of us here.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> A proper backup is 3 copies, 2 on different media, 1 offsite. Why is this relevant to people having the bandwidth to do backups at their own site? And getting cutoff by a big tech company with no recourse is not a “proper” backup either. > Most people do not understand file systems, please stop telling them to because it's never going to happen. I never did. I setup a Synology NAS 8 years ago and I have not had to look at it since. Surely, the UI software is even easier to use these days. > What the fuck" as in "WTF is '1TB'?", "WTF do I do with 1TB?", and "WTF is a 'NAS'?". Remember, we are talking about average people. Not computer wizards and sysadmins like most of us here. We have different expectations of people. At one point, average people did not have electrical, plumbing, washers, dryers, refrigerators, laptops, smartphones, routers and access points, etc. I think they would be able to handle one more appliance where plugging it into network, scanning a QR code to setup, and pull out and push in HDD in the event a HDD or NAS break.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >Why is this relevant to people having the bandwidth to do backups at their own site? By far the biggest reason most people do not do backups is because It Is Fucking Tedious And Expensive. Cloud storage is the answer to that problem. It's only when we get to big enterprise companies (read: businesses that wouldn't classify as small business) that cloud storage becomes impractical or even legally infeasible. Of course, remember we are talking about the average guy at home. >I setup a Synology NAS 8 years ago and I have not had to look at it since. Surely, the UI software is even easier to use these days. I have a Synology NAS too, and I agree it is very easy to use... for special people like us who breathe computers. >We have different expectations of people. At one point, average people did not have electrical, plumbing, washers, dryers, refrigerators, laptops, smartphones, etc. I'm not sure if you realize that most people call up a professional technician or engineer for all of that if something comes up. Fridge or washer breaks down? Call. Toilet backs up? Call. Breaker keeps tripping? Call. Now yes, an average person could hire someone to setup and maintain a NAS for him at home, but that's going to be far more expensive and a hassle than just forking over a Hamilton ($10 bill) or two to Microsoft or Google every month and making it all someone else's problem. It'll be managed better and he won't have strangers coming into his home, too.
lnxg33k1 3y ago
I’m sad for this average person, seems like if anything changes they’re going to be in big troubles
- noirscape 3y ago
  Unfortunately that average person makes up about 99% of the computer using population. And that's me being generous - being less generous it's probably closer to 99.9%. Computer literacy is at an all-time low because the overwhelming majority of it has been hidden away as much as possible by large tech giants in favor of their own corporate "clouds". And no - the "next generation" isn't doing any better on that either because they were raised on these devices and often don't know, or worse, don't care about that sort of thing. It's really bad.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> A proper backup is 3 copies, 2 on different media, 1 offsite. Why is this relevant to people having the bandwidth to do backups at their own site? And getting cutoff by a big tech company with no recourse is not a “proper” backup either. > Most people do not understand file systems, please stop telling them to because it's never going to happen. I never did. I setup a Synology NAS 8 years ago and I have not had to look at it since. Surely, the UI software is even easier to use these days. > What the fuck" as in "WTF is '1TB'?", "WTF do I do with 1TB?", and "WTF is a 'NAS'?". Remember, we are talking about average people. Not computer wizards and sysadmins like most of us here. We have different expectations of people. At one point, average people did not have electrical, plumbing, washers, dryers, refrigerators, laptops, smartphones, routers and access points, etc. I think they would be able to handle one more appliance where plugging it into network, scanning a QR code to setup, and pull out and push in HDD in the event a HDD or NAS break.

Dalewyn 3y ago
>Why is this relevant to people having the bandwidth to do backups at their own site? By far the biggest reason most people do not do backups is because It Is Fucking Tedious And Expensive. Cloud storage is the answer to that problem. It's only when we get to big enterprise companies (read: businesses that wouldn't classify as small business) that cloud storage becomes impractical or even legally infeasible. Of course, remember we are talking about the average guy at home. >I setup a Synology NAS 8 years ago and I have not had to look at it since. Surely, the UI software is even easier to use these days. I have a Synology NAS too, and I agree it is very easy to use... for special people like us who breathe computers. >We have different expectations of people. At one point, average people did not have electrical, plumbing, washers, dryers, refrigerators, laptops, smartphones, etc. I'm not sure if you realize that most people call up a professional technician or engineer for all of that if something comes up. Fridge or washer breaks down? Call. Toilet backs up? Call. Breaker keeps tripping? Call. Now yes, an average person could hire someone to setup and maintain a NAS for him at home, but that's going to be far more expensive and a hassle than just forking over a Hamilton ($10 bill) or two to Microsoft or Google every month and making it all someone else's problem. It'll be managed better and he won't have strangers coming into his home, too.

lnxg33k1 3y ago

I’m sad for this average person, seems like if anything changes they’re going to be in big troubles

noirscape 3y ago
Unfortunately that average person makes up about 99% of the computer using population. And that's me being generous - being less generous it's probably closer to 99.9%. Computer literacy is at an all-time low because the overwhelming majority of it has been hidden away as much as possible by large tech giants in favor of their own corporate "clouds". And no - the "next generation" isn't doing any better on that either because they were raised on these devices and often don't know, or worse, don't care about that sort of thing. It's really bad.