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> Apple's solution was to spend a fortune to develop their own Map data. They most likely just downloaded openstreetmap database and spent nothing. Do you have

by guappa 3y ago

> Apple's solution was to spend a fortune to develop their own Map data. They most likely just downloaded openstreetmap database and spent nothing. Do you have any source that the logical and easy thing is not what they did?

tonyedgecombe 3y ago
I’ve seen an Apple mapping vehicle in my rural UK village so I assume they are spending real money on maps.
Mindwipe 3y ago
> They most likely just downloaded openstreetmap database and spent nothing. Do you have any source that the logical and easy thing is not what they did? Yes, openstreetmap's data was WAYYYY better than Apple Maps at launch. In central London Apple Maps had such bad data that some of the business listings hadn't existed since before Apple Inc was formed as company, which were certainly not problems in openstreetmap.
GeekyBear 3y ago
Apple initially licensed data primarily from TomTom and also from others. They've been replacing licensed map data with data they gather themselves for over half a decade now. So far, their own data covers North America, Europe, Australia as well as a few countries elsewhere. 35 countries so far. https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-from-the-ground-up/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f... https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps-expansions-current-coverage-areas https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps-expansions-curr...
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  No. GP is right. Apple Maps was originally created from a dump of Openstreetmap data. Apple then collected its own data to build its own maps from scratch and contributed none of that back. It used, and still uses, TomTom for traffic incident data. https://gspe21-ssl.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html https://gspe21-ssl.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html
  - GeekyBear 3y ago
    Nope. They may also use TomTom for traffic incident data, but their primary data source for map data at release was TomTom. > The main provider of map data is TomTom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Maps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Maps > contributed none of that back OpenStreetMap seems to think that Apple contributes both tools and data. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple Almost all of the large tech companies with a mapping product contribute data to OpenStreetMap, with Google being the sole exception that I'm aware of. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      > OpenStreetMap seems to think that Apple contributes both tools and data. Like I said, they contributed nothing from the maps they created from scratch back, only corrections to OpenStreetmap while they were using it.

by guappa 3y ago

tonyedgecombe 3y ago

I’ve seen an Apple mapping vehicle in my rural UK village so I assume they are spending real money on maps.

Mindwipe 3y ago

> They most likely just downloaded openstreetmap database and spent nothing. Do you have any source that the logical and easy thing is not what they did? Yes, openstreetmap's data was WAYYYY better than Apple Maps at launch. In central London Apple Maps had such bad data that some of the business listings hadn't existed since before Apple Inc was formed as company, which were certainly not problems in openstreetmap.

GeekyBear 3y ago

Apple initially licensed data primarily from TomTom and also from others. They've been replacing licensed map data with data they gather themselves for over half a decade now. So far, their own data covers North America, Europe, Australia as well as a few countries elsewhere. 35 countries so far. https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-from-the-ground-up/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/29/apple-is-rebuilding-maps-f... https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps-expansions-current-coverage-areas https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps-expansions-curr...

lern_too_spel 3y ago
No. GP is right. Apple Maps was originally created from a dump of Openstreetmap data. Apple then collected its own data to build its own maps from scratch and contributed none of that back. It used, and still uses, TomTom for traffic incident data. https://gspe21-ssl.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html https://gspe21-ssl.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  Nope. They may also use TomTom for traffic incident data, but their primary data source for map data at release was TomTom. > The main provider of map data is TomTom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Maps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Maps > contributed none of that back OpenStreetMap seems to think that Apple contributes both tools and data. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple Almost all of the large tech companies with a mapping product contribute data to OpenStreetMap, with Google being the sole exception that I'm aware of. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    > OpenStreetMap seems to think that Apple contributes both tools and data. Like I said, they contributed nothing from the maps they created from scratch back, only corrections to OpenStreetmap while they were using it.