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1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medica

1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medical terms, but I still take the steps necessary to stay healthy, like doing periodic checkups, so the average person in tech needs to educate themselves in doing their backup or not complaining, I am not sure we have to build a society based on the needs of the average person who doesn’t bother reading anything or anything 2) Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science, Windows gives you even a way to automatically create mirrored disks, it's just a matter to read a tutorial I don't feel I have any obligation towards average people, it's their works and it's their duty to understand basic tech, it's not rocket science. Like all other people try to inform themselves about pipes in a bathroom, kitchens, medicals, etc. If they don't, if Google or Microsoft change their ToS (That I guess the average person hasn't bothered reading) or if Google has a data loss, then should not complai, if Microsoft changes their policies, they shouldn't complain, being an average person is not a justification to live leeching society, ignorance has never been a justification

Dalewyn 3y ago
I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go. You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services", and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter.". No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not manage computers and be sysadmins. Cloud storage is just one natural evolution path of that demand. Hell, I'm not an average person and I'm also buying into cloud storage now. I'm in my mid 30s now and life isn't stopping; I want to become a greybeard, not a neckbeard.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  My point was not to limit the actions of average people, my point is to inform that cloud services have locked out people due to algorithms errors, have had data loss, have changed the ToS, etc. And average people should take their decisions being informed data cloud storage is volatile and can / has disappeared
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Those horror stories by far do not apply to most people. Like all horror stories, the negative incidents leave far stronger impressions than the far more numerous positive or mundane experiences nobody talks about. Also, I'm going to reply to this claim here since it was edited in after I already replied: >Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science, File systems are absolutely rocket science. It's been well over 30 years since that paradigm was introduced to try and make how computers handle data more relatable to most people and it has not worked. It is the year 2024 and most people still put everything on their desktop. Kids in particular[1] do not grasp file systems at all. File systems are an abject failure of human interface design and engineering. [1]: https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-dont-know-what-files-and-folders-are-professors-say https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-do...
    - toyg 3y ago
      Er, filesystems as a paradigm are more like 50+ years old, if not even older. Tbh, it's an office-based metaphor created by and for office admins. The general public just doesn't relate. Maybe if they'd called directories "wardrobes" or "drawers"...
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Dalewyn 3y ago

I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go. You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services", and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter.". No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not manage computers and be sysadmins. Cloud storage is just one natural evolution path of that demand. Hell, I'm not an average person and I'm also buying into cloud storage now. I'm in my mid 30s now and life isn't stopping; I want to become a greybeard, not a neckbeard.

lnxg33k1 3y ago
My point was not to limit the actions of average people, my point is to inform that cloud services have locked out people due to algorithms errors, have had data loss, have changed the ToS, etc. And average people should take their decisions being informed data cloud storage is volatile and can / has disappeared
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Those horror stories by far do not apply to most people. Like all horror stories, the negative incidents leave far stronger impressions than the far more numerous positive or mundane experiences nobody talks about. Also, I'm going to reply to this claim here since it was edited in after I already replied: >Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science, File systems are absolutely rocket science. It's been well over 30 years since that paradigm was introduced to try and make how computers handle data more relatable to most people and it has not worked. It is the year 2024 and most people still put everything on their desktop. Kids in particular[1] do not grasp file systems at all. File systems are an abject failure of human interface design and engineering. [1]: https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-dont-know-what-files-and-folders-are-professors-say https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-do...
  - toyg 3y ago
    Er, filesystems as a paradigm are more like 50+ years old, if not even older. Tbh, it's an office-based metaphor created by and for office admins. The general public just doesn't relate. Maybe if they'd called directories "wardrobes" or "drawers"...
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