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Just a philosophical question, that I think is on topic, I wonder how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people

Just a philosophical question, that I think is on topic, I wonder how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services, especially in the era of we reserve the right to change the terms and conditions without notice at our discretion At this point I’m not even mad with Microsoft

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thereisnospork 3y ago
imo its more of a question of time than quality. Rarely, but not never (e.g. Unity), does the frog jump out of the pot. Popular ways of doing things[0] always come in phases as people with fonder opinions of 'the other way of doing things' come into relative power. Couple that with dogmatism-driven 'leadership'[1] and change only really occurs with the changing of the guard.[2] So to answer your question, I would guess about 4-6 more years. [0]Cloud vs on prem, monolith vs micro service, functional vs OOP, to name a few. [1]I've priced some cloud that cost more in six months than on prem hardware and still gotten push back. [2]Somewhat morosely, "[Things] advance one funeral at a time"
lotsofpulp 3y ago
As long as homes don’t have high quality symmetric ipv6 fiber connections not hidden behind CGNAT, the cloud is here to stay. Ideally, you would be able to buy a ready to go NAS and set up your own cloud at home in a few easy steps.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Cloud storage is better than local storage for the average person. * The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem. * The average person does not understand file systems. No, he will not understand file systems. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this problem by Abstraction(tm). * The average person does not use much disk space; the biggest chunk is probably the photos on his phone. Combined with the previous, a 1TB HDD/SSD in a NAS at home is "WTF" and "WTF" for him. Note, we aren't average people.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medical terms, but I still take the steps necessary to stay healthy, like doing periodic checkups, so the average person in tech needs to educate themselves in doing their backup or not complaining, I am not sure we have to build a society based on the needs of the average person who doesn’t bother reading anything or anything 2) Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science, Windows gives you even a way to automatically create mirrored disks, it's just a matter to read a tutorial I don't feel I have any obligation towards average people, it's their works and it's their duty to understand basic tech, it's not rocket science. Like all other people try to inform themselves about pipes in a bathroom, kitchens, medicals, etc. If they don't, if Google or Microsoft change their ToS (That I guess the average person hasn't bothered reading) or if Google has a data loss, then should not complai, if Microsoft changes their policies, they shouldn't complain, being an average person is not a justification to live leeching society, ignorance has never been a justification
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go. You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services", and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter.". No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not manage computers and be sysadmins. Cloud storage is just one natural evolution path of that demand. Hell, I'm not an average person and I'm also buying into cloud storage now. I'm in my mid 30s now and life isn't stopping; I want to become a greybeard, not a neckbeard.
      - lnxg33k1 3y ago
        My point was not to limit the actions of average people, my point is to inform that cloud services have locked out people due to algorithms errors, have had data loss, have changed the ToS, etc. And average people should take their decisions being informed data cloud storage is volatile and can / has disappeared
- Stranger43 3y ago
  The real question is why nobody ever looks at the smaller regional cloud providers when the big ones pull some stunt they don't like. There is hundreds of companies offering nextcloud hosting, and yet the presumption is that only the big 3 is viable.
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YetAnotherNick 3y ago
Why single out on just cloud services? Unless you sign a contract for the future you can't be future proof. Everyone knew that Microsoft would do this specially after Google's move, but university liked their juicy 10TB storage which they got for free. Honestly I don't have any sympathy for university expecting this for free when they could easily pay $5/student/month or some even more discounted price.

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thereisnospork 3y ago

imo its more of a question of time than quality. Rarely, but not never (e.g. Unity), does the frog jump out of the pot. Popular ways of doing things[0] always come in phases as people with fonder opinions of 'the other way of doing things' come into relative power. Couple that with dogmatism-driven 'leadership'[1] and change only really occurs with the changing of the guard.[2] So to answer your question, I would guess about 4-6 more years. [0]Cloud vs on prem, monolith vs micro service, functional vs OOP, to name a few. [1]I've priced some cloud that cost more in six months than on prem hardware and still gotten push back. [2]Somewhat morosely, "[Things] advance one funeral at a time"

lotsofpulp 3y ago

As long as homes don’t have high quality symmetric ipv6 fiber connections not hidden behind CGNAT, the cloud is here to stay. Ideally, you would be able to buy a ready to go NAS and set up your own cloud at home in a few easy steps.

Dalewyn 3y ago
Cloud storage is better than local storage for the average person. * The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem. * The average person does not understand file systems. No, he will not understand file systems. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this problem by Abstraction(tm). * The average person does not use much disk space; the biggest chunk is probably the photos on his phone. Combined with the previous, a 1TB HDD/SSD in a NAS at home is "WTF" and "WTF" for him. Note, we aren't average people.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medical terms, but I still take the steps necessary to stay healthy, like doing periodic checkups, so the average person in tech needs to educate themselves in doing their backup or not complaining, I am not sure we have to build a society based on the needs of the average person who doesn’t bother reading anything or anything 2) Filesystems et cetera, are not rocket science, Windows gives you even a way to automatically create mirrored disks, it's just a matter to read a tutorial I don't feel I have any obligation towards average people, it's their works and it's their duty to understand basic tech, it's not rocket science. Like all other people try to inform themselves about pipes in a bathroom, kitchens, medicals, etc. If they don't, if Google or Microsoft change their ToS (That I guess the average person hasn't bothered reading) or if Google has a data loss, then should not complai, if Microsoft changes their policies, they shouldn't complain, being an average person is not a justification to live leeching society, ignorance has never been a justification
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go. You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services", and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter.". No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not manage computers and be sysadmins. Cloud storage is just one natural evolution path of that demand. Hell, I'm not an average person and I'm also buying into cloud storage now. I'm in my mid 30s now and life isn't stopping; I want to become a greybeard, not a neckbeard.
    - lnxg33k1 3y ago
      My point was not to limit the actions of average people, my point is to inform that cloud services have locked out people due to algorithms errors, have had data loss, have changed the ToS, etc. And average people should take their decisions being informed data cloud storage is volatile and can / has disappeared
Stranger43 3y ago
The real question is why nobody ever looks at the smaller regional cloud providers when the big ones pull some stunt they don't like. There is hundreds of companies offering nextcloud hosting, and yet the presumption is that only the big 3 is viable.
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YetAnotherNick 3y ago

Why single out on just cloud services? Unless you sign a contract for the future you can't be future proof. Everyone knew that Microsoft would do this specially after Google's move, but university liked their juicy 10TB storage which they got for free. Honestly I don't have any sympathy for university expecting this for free when they could easily pay $5/student/month or some even more discounted price.