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The origins of Etruscans is lost to history but it's not like they spontaneously materialized in central Italy and stayed there for eons. Most of the other peo
by ithkuil 3y ago
The origins of Etruscans is lost to history but it's not like they spontaneously materialized in central Italy and stayed there for eons.
Most of the other peoples in Europe stem from migration of people of Indo-European descent, coming in several waves, from the south (via Anatolia) and from the north.
Groups of people moved around, settled and over time slowly diverged between each other, forming a cultural and linguistic continuum where each group of people spoke a dialect barely different from their neighbors but gradually diverging more as the distance increases.
Then some groups moved around even more (pushed by various environmental factors) breaking the continuum and introducing more stronger distinctions as a group became in contact with another group that was farther away in the cultural-linguistic continuum. The starker differences between a group and its neighbors accelerate the independent evolution of the linguistic traits.
Repeat the mix several times and you end up with producing a huge variety of distinct languages that are no longer mutually intelligible between each other.
Yet ateast in principle it's possible to trace back the genealogy of each of the languages and it reveals that the journey of a group of people in a piece of land is radically different from a group of people living right next to it.
I'm going to focus on languages because that's my area or interest. It roughly correlates with the culture and ethnic identifications but it's not a perfect match and in particular it doesn't necessary correlate strongly with the actual ethnicities (or genetics) because when groups mix the degree of genetic mixing and linguistic mixing varies. For example it's not uncommon that a group conquers another group, imposing their language and culture over them but the conquered group remains relatively unmixed (non-intermarried) with the conquerors.
For example most of the ancient groups in pre-roman Italy peninsula share a common "Italic" origin. That includes Oscan, Latin, Faliscan, Ligurian, Venetic and other Celtic languages of cisalpine Gaul.
But some like Messapic, native to southern italy, while still being of Indo-European origin, don't belong to that same branch. Nor it's related to the Greek of the other side of the Adriatic. Whether that's because of a later migration or because of a previous wave, I don't know (nor I know if it's known).
But the existence of that case (as many other cases) is a showcase how the idea that Etruscans are related with other groups somewhere else in the Mediterranean basin (or even in Anatolia) is not such a crazy idea.
- misja111 3y agoI guess you might know already, but just to be on the same page: - Etruscan is not considered an Indo European language - Etruscan is part of a larger family of languages: the Tyrsenian. Other members are the Raetic language, which was spoken in North Italy, Switzerland and parts of Austria. And also Lemnian, which was spoken in some parts of the Aegean sea.
- ithkuil 3y agoOh yes; I thought it was obvious but then I re-read what I wrote and it was not obvious. My point was to show how it's rather normal to have languages mixed up geographically in such a way that can explain why the same language family ends up in central italy and in an island in greece, by observing that it happens also with languages for which we have much more available data.
- gumby 3y agoThose are good points (darn, actual expertise trumps the musing of an amateur yet again),* in particular the migration of a group potentially alien to what became a linguistically and perhaps culturally dominant group by the time we had written records. I still remain uncomfortable with the stability of Etruscan over that long period, though the whole point of the article — that there was adequate stability in Greek over that same span — rather makes this feeling rather silly. * this is sort of the subtext of the article itself.
- euroderf 3y ago> For example it's not uncommon that a group conquers another group, imposing their language and culture over them but the conquered group remains relatively unmixed (non-intermarried) with the conquerors. You refer to those few cases where language does not correspond to DNA ?
- ithkuil 3y agoI'm not speaking the language I learned when I was born. I'm pretty sure that was not uncommon in the far past too.