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> But most people would agree that recording everything on every street corner 24/7 is not acceptable in a free society. Do we? No, this is a serious question

> But most people would agree that recording everything on every street corner 24/7 is not acceptable in a free society. Do we? No, this is a serious question. London seems to have 20,873 CCTVs on its streets[1]. If people don't protest against 20k CCTVs, do you really believe they'll protest against 30k, 50k or 70k? 70k is when by average one street has one CCTV. It's still not one per corner, but practically it's more than enough to track everyone's path. Slippery slope? Yes. Are we going to slide down? Probably. [1]: https://clarionuk.com/resources/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-in-london/ https://clarionuk.com/resources/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-in...

lannisterstark 3y ago
London and its surveillance is a dystopian extreme no one should try to emulate.
- numpad0 3y ago
  And it's not like London is paradise on earth thanks to the cameras. They just have a lot of it.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago
  I've been to many cities around the world that already left the London far behind. Miltiple cameras at every house looking in different directions, cameras at every isle corner in supermarkets etc. There are more cameras than citizens in those cities.
- extractionmech 3y ago
  England has always been the first nation to suffer the designs of the elite. The bankster system, first in Britain. The secret services that have “license to kill”, ditto. A show for parliament and representation, the same. Emergence of a new elite class that wields power behind the throne, England. Political churches passed as churches of God, England. Surveillance and police state, England. 1984, also from England. Somebody in that Island knows where it is all heading. p.s. and how could I forget. “Journalism” fleet street style, also England.
  - twodave 3y ago
    > Political churches passed as churches of God The Egyptians would like a word
    - extractionmech 3y ago
      Good one. Yes, they gifted us with priesthoods. For that matter, banksters learned from Mesopotamians, so. But we’re discussing evil incorporated post enlightenment (where? lol) here.
cellis 3y ago
Once true deep fakes come, and they are coming as sure as you're born, these CCTVs will be rendered moot anyway.
- nazka 3y ago
  I didn’t down vote. You will have to make a realistic multi angle deep fake faces before it happens. Like the face geometry and looks has to perfectly match the other deeps fake and any other camera. Plus matching different type of lights, camera gradient, lens, types, etc…
  - jhugg 3y ago
    Most footage pulled from security cameras is only so-so anyway. Faces aren’t always perfect. Maybe this changes when they’re all 4kHDR.
- Ajedi32 3y ago
  Even in a world where perfect, indistinguishable-from-reality deepfakes could be created instantly at the push of a button, CCTV cameras would be no less useful in criminal proceedings than they are now. "Yes your honor, I can testify that I personally pulled this footage from the camera at the corner of 15th street and King Dr." Or, even better: "Yes, your honor, I as an expert witness can confirm that this footage was signed by the secure hardware key embedded in the camera at the corner of 15th street and King Dr." There, problem solved.
tim333 3y ago
And they don't work that well. I had a phone snatched on Stratton St and no decent footage.

lannisterstark 3y ago

London and its surveillance is a dystopian extreme no one should try to emulate.

numpad0 3y ago
And it's not like London is paradise on earth thanks to the cameras. They just have a lot of it.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago
I've been to many cities around the world that already left the London far behind. Miltiple cameras at every house looking in different directions, cameras at every isle corner in supermarkets etc. There are more cameras than citizens in those cities.
extractionmech 3y ago
England has always been the first nation to suffer the designs of the elite. The bankster system, first in Britain. The secret services that have “license to kill”, ditto. A show for parliament and representation, the same. Emergence of a new elite class that wields power behind the throne, England. Political churches passed as churches of God, England. Surveillance and police state, England. 1984, also from England. Somebody in that Island knows where it is all heading. p.s. and how could I forget. “Journalism” fleet street style, also England.
- twodave 3y ago
  > Political churches passed as churches of God The Egyptians would like a word
  - extractionmech 3y ago
    Good one. Yes, they gifted us with priesthoods. For that matter, banksters learned from Mesopotamians, so. But we’re discussing evil incorporated post enlightenment (where? lol) here.

cellis 3y ago

Once true deep fakes come, and they are coming as sure as you're born, these CCTVs will be rendered moot anyway.

nazka 3y ago
I didn’t down vote. You will have to make a realistic multi angle deep fake faces before it happens. Like the face geometry and looks has to perfectly match the other deeps fake and any other camera. Plus matching different type of lights, camera gradient, lens, types, etc…
- jhugg 3y ago
  Most footage pulled from security cameras is only so-so anyway. Faces aren’t always perfect. Maybe this changes when they’re all 4kHDR.
Ajedi32 3y ago
Even in a world where perfect, indistinguishable-from-reality deepfakes could be created instantly at the push of a button, CCTV cameras would be no less useful in criminal proceedings than they are now. "Yes your honor, I can testify that I personally pulled this footage from the camera at the corner of 15th street and King Dr." Or, even better: "Yes, your honor, I as an expert witness can confirm that this footage was signed by the secure hardware key embedded in the camera at the corner of 15th street and King Dr." There, problem solved.

tim333 3y ago

And they don't work that well. I had a phone snatched on Stratton St and no decent footage.