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I'm sorry but could you explain how this is a violation of OpenAI's Terms of Use? Which term does it violate exactly?

iamjackg 3y ago
> 2. Restrictions > (e) use Output (as defined below) to develop any artificial intelligence models that compete with our products and services. However, you can use Output to (i) develop artificial intelligence models primarily intended to categorize, classify, or organize data (e.g., embeddings or classifiers), as long as such models are not distributed or made commercially available to third parties and (ii) fine tune models provided as part of our Services; Depending on what kind of model they trained, they might be breaking these terms.
- padolsey 3y ago
  So, best to do it without publicizing. :D
- maxlamb 3y ago
  Right but the condition is for "models that compete with our products and service". Can you really argue that this niche app competes with OpenAI's products? Couldn't you make an argument that this only applies to products and services that directly compete with OpenAI, i.e. other LLM API's or a ChatGPT competitor such as a Claude or Bart?
  - elicksaur 3y ago
    The person who created it is using it as a direct replacement to paying OpenAI. They probably won’t consider pursuing this small individual, but if a big enough company did it, they’d probably have a problem with that.
    - maxlamb 3y ago
      A direct replacement is still different than a “competing product” which implies is sold to customers. His product (the app) doesn’t compete with OpenAI. I guess a lawyer would need to chime in
michaelt 3y ago
> 2. Restrictions [...] You will not, and will not permit End Users to: [...] use Output [...] to develop any artificial intelligence models that compete with our products and services. Of course, you can simply ignore it, just like OpenAI is happy to ignore the terms of services on scraped websites and pirated ebooks and so on. What are they going to do - claim your model is a derivative work of the training data?
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> 2. Restrictions > (e) use Output (as defined below) to develop any artificial intelligence models that compete with our products and services. However, you can use Output to (i) develop artificial intelligence models primarily intended to categorize, classify, or organize data (e.g., embeddings or classifiers), as long as such models are not distributed or made commercially available to third parties and (ii) fine tune models provided as part of our Services; Depending on what kind of model they trained, they might be breaking these terms.

padolsey 3y ago
So, best to do it without publicizing. :D
maxlamb 3y ago
Right but the condition is for "models that compete with our products and service". Can you really argue that this niche app competes with OpenAI's products? Couldn't you make an argument that this only applies to products and services that directly compete with OpenAI, i.e. other LLM API's or a ChatGPT competitor such as a Claude or Bart?
- elicksaur 3y ago
  The person who created it is using it as a direct replacement to paying OpenAI. They probably won’t consider pursuing this small individual, but if a big enough company did it, they’d probably have a problem with that.
  - maxlamb 3y ago
    A direct replacement is still different than a “competing product” which implies is sold to customers. His product (the app) doesn’t compete with OpenAI. I guess a lawyer would need to chime in

michaelt 3y ago

> 2. Restrictions [...] You will not, and will not permit End Users to: [...] use Output [...] to develop any artificial intelligence models that compete with our products and services. Of course, you can simply ignore it, just like OpenAI is happy to ignore the terms of services on scraped websites and pirated ebooks and so on. What are they going to do - claim your model is a derivative work of the training data?

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