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A strange thing about that wikipedia page is, the theory was posited as central to autism, but there is no research cited from after 2010. If it is so central t

by mpol 3y ago

A strange thing about that wikipedia page is, the theory was posited as central to autism, but there is no research cited from after 2010. If it is so central to the autism spectrum, howcome this article is just a bit more than a stub.

ajkjk 3y ago
Perhaps no one has updated it.
15457345234 3y ago
User-contributed documentation on the internet related to autism is slanted in a way you wouldn't necessarily expect; many people with autism consider the condition an 'identity' rather than a 'diagnosis' and they also tend to be what's colloquially known as 'terminally online.' That results in a rather hostile environment for those who wish to label, discuss, contribute etc to the documentation of the subject. In a similar way the frequently-online Deaf community is remarkably hostile to the idea of cochlear implants in a way that you just don't see among the less-online deaf community.
- Doxin 3y ago
  Add to that the tendency for medical professionals to ignore the lived experience of people with autism and it's a recipe for disagreement.
- simondotau 3y ago
  > many people with autism consider the condition an 'identity' rather than a 'diagnosis' To many people with autism, it’s the people without autism which seem in need of a diagnosis.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    Yeah I know there's a bunch of them that think neurotypicals would benefit from an empathectomy; not my favourite sort of people. But I won't start.
    - deleted 3y ago
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  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    That's part of their disorder, though.
    - simondotau 3y ago
      It’s really not. And a rather ironic choice of words given that mild autism can sometimes make one emphatically logical and “ordered” in how they think. This makes it harder to grasp weird, squishy concepts like language and emotion. So it’s common for autistic children to have language delay and difficulty picking up on social cues. The more random, disorderly brain of the “typical” person is simply more predisposed to navigating the society made for “typical” persons.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        > It’s really not. It absolutely is. They are a deviation from the norm in a way that more often than not has negative consequences, in addition to any benefits that may or may not exist. There are plenty of non-autistic people who are perfectly logical, so that point doesn't matter. Autistic people thinking NT people need to be more like them is a result of their thinking being out of whack. Things like tolerance in society are irrelevant to that point.
        simondotau 3y ago
        The negative consequences almost exclusively stem from autistics interacting with neurotypical. In this case it’s more akin to a language barrier than a “deviation”. It’s only “out of whack” because you’re on one side of that divide and want to otherize people who are different to you. And for the record, you can count me among the people who think that the average person could stand being about 20% more autistic. There’s nothing noble or special about being leashed to emotions and arbitrary social cues.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        > The negative consequences almost exclusively stem from autistics interacting with neurotypical When it's not something to do with sensory overload or having trouble navigating something in the world even without any interaction, sure, almost all that is left is problems with interaction. And even then when the problems are due to interaction, it's not always due to a lack of tolerance or something, it's often due to the autistic person being unable to read social cues and similar, and so that's a negative consequence, not just a neutral difference. > And for the record, you can count me among the people who think that the average person could stand being about 20% more autistic. Yeah that's ridiculous. It's like deaf people wanting people that can hear to be deaf. > There’s nothing noble or special about being leashed to emotions and arbitrary social cues. NT's are not leashed just because some people are, anymore than all NDs need to rock back and forth or something to deal with sensory overload.

by mpol 3y ago

ajkjk 3y ago

Perhaps no one has updated it.

15457345234 3y ago

User-contributed documentation on the internet related to autism is slanted in a way you wouldn't necessarily expect; many people with autism consider the condition an 'identity' rather than a 'diagnosis' and they also tend to be what's colloquially known as 'terminally online.' That results in a rather hostile environment for those who wish to label, discuss, contribute etc to the documentation of the subject. In a similar way the frequently-online Deaf community is remarkably hostile to the idea of cochlear implants in a way that you just don't see among the less-online deaf community.

Doxin 3y ago
Add to that the tendency for medical professionals to ignore the lived experience of people with autism and it's a recipe for disagreement.
simondotau 3y ago
> many people with autism consider the condition an 'identity' rather than a 'diagnosis' To many people with autism, it’s the people without autism which seem in need of a diagnosis.
- 15457345234 3y ago
  Yeah I know there's a bunch of them that think neurotypicals would benefit from an empathectomy; not my favourite sort of people. But I won't start.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  That's part of their disorder, though.
  - simondotau 3y ago
    It’s really not. And a rather ironic choice of words given that mild autism can sometimes make one emphatically logical and “ordered” in how they think. This makes it harder to grasp weird, squishy concepts like language and emotion. So it’s common for autistic children to have language delay and difficulty picking up on social cues. The more random, disorderly brain of the “typical” person is simply more predisposed to navigating the society made for “typical” persons.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      > It’s really not. It absolutely is. They are a deviation from the norm in a way that more often than not has negative consequences, in addition to any benefits that may or may not exist. There are plenty of non-autistic people who are perfectly logical, so that point doesn't matter. Autistic people thinking NT people need to be more like them is a result of their thinking being out of whack. Things like tolerance in society are irrelevant to that point.
      - simondotau 3y ago
        The negative consequences almost exclusively stem from autistics interacting with neurotypical. In this case it’s more akin to a language barrier than a “deviation”. It’s only “out of whack” because you’re on one side of that divide and want to otherize people who are different to you. And for the record, you can count me among the people who think that the average person could stand being about 20% more autistic. There’s nothing noble or special about being leashed to emotions and arbitrary social cues.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        > The negative consequences almost exclusively stem from autistics interacting with neurotypical When it's not something to do with sensory overload or having trouble navigating something in the world even without any interaction, sure, almost all that is left is problems with interaction. And even then when the problems are due to interaction, it's not always due to a lack of tolerance or something, it's often due to the autistic person being unable to read social cues and similar, and so that's a negative consequence, not just a neutral difference. > And for the record, you can count me among the people who think that the average person could stand being about 20% more autistic. Yeah that's ridiculous. It's like deaf people wanting people that can hear to be deaf. > There’s nothing noble or special about being leashed to emotions and arbitrary social cues. NT's are not leashed just because some people are, anymore than all NDs need to rock back and forth or something to deal with sensory overload.