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I can't tell if this is a joke or not but does helping people who have had the same problems as you count as a personal attack here? That's bizarre to say the

I can't tell if this is a joke or not but does helping people who have had the same problems as you count as a personal attack here? That's bizarre to say the least. It's not "judgmental abstractions and supercilious advice". Jesus. Man, the replies here make me sick to my stomach and yours is especially bad dang. What an absolutely pathetic response from a moderator. Edit: Just read your bio and the quote from Milner. I now think you just exude hypocritical thinking on the daily now, or maybe that quote was added a long, long time ago. Gave me a laugh.

dang 3y ago
I'm sorry my comment landed that harshly. It certainly wasn't what I wanted. I was hoping to come back and give a more detailed explanation but there just hasn't been time.
- seoulmetro 3y ago
  I don't really care about your comment. It's your actions that landed harshly. If someone is to do such poor actions, I weigh their comment as low automatically.
  - dang 3y ago
    I'm not sure what action I took besides commenting? It would be nice to find a way out of this tangle, but I'm not sure I know how to do that. However, I'd like to try. The reason I posted my original reply to you (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39045053 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39045053) is that when someone is suffering and a person tells them what they "should" do, it tends to come across as unhelpful. For example, if someone is suffering from insomnia and I tell them they should just get a good night's sleep, that can easily come across as glib. Or if someone is suffering from anxiety and I tell them they should just breathe more deeply, or do yoga, or whatever it may be—even though those things may well be helpful in some cases, responding this way comes across as taking a superior position toward the other person. It is as if I am saying: I've been through all this and I know what the solution is and now that I tell it to you, you have no further reason to suffer. This is unhelpful for two reasons: one is that when people are suffering, what they need most from others is not advice, but connection. There needs first to be a felt sense of human contact, like the other person cares about being with them in their pain. If you jump straight to offering advice, that skips the essential step and feels disconnecting rather than connecting. The other reason is that when it comes to deep human challenges like trauma, each person's experience is unique and what works for one doesn't always apply to another. If I find something that works for me, it doesn't necessarily generalize to everyone else. Maybe in some cases there's overlap and I can share helpful information about my own path; but maybe not. It's necessary to tread delicately, because advice can be useful if it actually fits the other person's experience, but it can also be hurtful if it doesn't. I have no idea if sharing this will make things better or worse—probably worse, to judge by my track record so far!—but my hope is that it's clarifying.
    - seoulmetro 3y ago
      You claimed that I was breaking the rules. I was not. You abused your powers, or maybe helping people really is against the rules... Not interested in whatever poor explanation you want to hand wave away actual support from real trauma victims towards other trauma victims. I didn't read the rest sorry.

dang 3y ago

I'm sorry my comment landed that harshly. It certainly wasn't what I wanted. I was hoping to come back and give a more detailed explanation but there just hasn't been time.

seoulmetro 3y ago
I don't really care about your comment. It's your actions that landed harshly. If someone is to do such poor actions, I weigh their comment as low automatically.
- dang 3y ago
  I'm not sure what action I took besides commenting? It would be nice to find a way out of this tangle, but I'm not sure I know how to do that. However, I'd like to try. The reason I posted my original reply to you (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39045053 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39045053) is that when someone is suffering and a person tells them what they "should" do, it tends to come across as unhelpful. For example, if someone is suffering from insomnia and I tell them they should just get a good night's sleep, that can easily come across as glib. Or if someone is suffering from anxiety and I tell them they should just breathe more deeply, or do yoga, or whatever it may be—even though those things may well be helpful in some cases, responding this way comes across as taking a superior position toward the other person. It is as if I am saying: I've been through all this and I know what the solution is and now that I tell it to you, you have no further reason to suffer. This is unhelpful for two reasons: one is that when people are suffering, what they need most from others is not advice, but connection. There needs first to be a felt sense of human contact, like the other person cares about being with them in their pain. If you jump straight to offering advice, that skips the essential step and feels disconnecting rather than connecting. The other reason is that when it comes to deep human challenges like trauma, each person's experience is unique and what works for one doesn't always apply to another. If I find something that works for me, it doesn't necessarily generalize to everyone else. Maybe in some cases there's overlap and I can share helpful information about my own path; but maybe not. It's necessary to tread delicately, because advice can be useful if it actually fits the other person's experience, but it can also be hurtful if it doesn't. I have no idea if sharing this will make things better or worse—probably worse, to judge by my track record so far!—but my hope is that it's clarifying.
  - seoulmetro 3y ago
    You claimed that I was breaking the rules. I was not. You abused your powers, or maybe helping people really is against the rules... Not interested in whatever poor explanation you want to hand wave away actual support from real trauma victims towards other trauma victims. I didn't read the rest sorry.