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You are getting down voted by people who understand that, while the situation is nuanced, it is NOT equivalent to flipping over the house mat at random house an

You are getting down voted by people who understand that, while the situation is nuanced, it is NOT equivalent to flipping over the house mat at random house and entering it. It may not be totally akin to a security card opening more doors than it should, but it is entirely reasonable to assume that "the key in your copy of the app" is "your personal access key".

williamcotton 3y ago
Well, apparently the courts think it is equivalent, at least in Germany and the United States. That you favor one argument over another as your lens with which to side when it comes to really stupid analogies, including mine, is entirely in bad faith.
- hypeatei 3y ago
  So your argument is that since the courts think a certain way, that we should accept that and move on?
  - williamcotton 3y ago
    I agree with the courts. Most people so outside of a vocal minority on this forum. What is you plan if you disaggre?
    - hypeatei 3y ago
      It's just a fundamental disconnect then, I guess. You and I have a very different understanding of how this "crime" was carried out. He was charged for connecting to a database with credentials that he was already connecting to before with the application. I could argue that he already had access to the other data because the connection allowed it. So, that begs the question: what did he actually "break" into and how is it different than connecting to the database via the app on the same PC? Would you even be able to tell the difference as a sysadmin looking at logs?
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      - williamcotton 3y ago
        If you want to argue about the law, you can! There is this entire profession dedicated to this!
User3456335 3y ago
> it is entirely reasonable to assume that "the key in your copy of the app" is "your personal access key". I've never been in a situation where I was given an app binary as a user but where the author intended for me to go find a key in the decompilation so that I could manually access information that wasn't visible in the app. This seems like it is an unreasonable thing to assume. And courts seem to agree.
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  > This seems like it is an unreasonable thing to assume. And courts seem to agree. Illegal vs legal and reasonable vs unreasonable are not entirely analogous. There are lots of laws that I think are unreasonable and a lot of legal things that I think are unreasonable.

williamcotton 3y ago

Well, apparently the courts think it is equivalent, at least in Germany and the United States. That you favor one argument over another as your lens with which to side when it comes to really stupid analogies, including mine, is entirely in bad faith.

hypeatei 3y ago
So your argument is that since the courts think a certain way, that we should accept that and move on?
- williamcotton 3y ago
  I agree with the courts. Most people so outside of a vocal minority on this forum. What is you plan if you disaggre?
  - hypeatei 3y ago
    It's just a fundamental disconnect then, I guess. You and I have a very different understanding of how this "crime" was carried out. He was charged for connecting to a database with credentials that he was already connecting to before with the application. I could argue that he already had access to the other data because the connection allowed it. So, that begs the question: what did he actually "break" into and how is it different than connecting to the database via the app on the same PC? Would you even be able to tell the difference as a sysadmin looking at logs?
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    - williamcotton 3y ago
      If you want to argue about the law, you can! There is this entire profession dedicated to this!

User3456335 3y ago

> it is entirely reasonable to assume that "the key in your copy of the app" is "your personal access key". I've never been in a situation where I was given an app binary as a user but where the author intended for me to go find a key in the decompilation so that I could manually access information that wasn't visible in the app. This seems like it is an unreasonable thing to assume. And courts seem to agree.

Ensorceled 3y ago
> This seems like it is an unreasonable thing to assume. And courts seem to agree. Illegal vs legal and reasonable vs unreasonable are not entirely analogous. There are lots of laws that I think are unreasonable and a lot of legal things that I think are unreasonable.