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Regardless, all this opinionated settings should be by OS maintainers or similar. I don’t see why a low level init system tries to make decisions for others. Ye

by isatty 3y ago

Regardless, all this opinionated settings should be by OS maintainers or similar. I don’t see why a low level init system tries to make decisions for others. Yes, it may be with good intentions, but don’t.

bogota 3y ago
The amount of times i had to fight and debug systemd compared to any other init system is at least 10x. Yes it does a lot of stuff for you and in others I had to write custom scripts but it was much more understandable and maintainable long term. Sadly systemd won and now i build my own OS without it.
- __float 3y ago
  Even for basic service running, complex dependencies are so much more manageable in systemd. I'm glad systemd "won"; it's much more maintainable IMO than shell scripts written once and forgotten about (until they break).
  - linsomniac 3y ago
    Agreed, I have some friends that don't like systemd, and I respect their opinions greatly, but my experience with systemd has been quite good over the last decade. I really like it much more than the old init.d scripts. With one exception... I tried to set up a inetd-like service where a script was run on TCP connection with the output going out to the socket. It was tricky to get set up, but eventually I got it working... or so I thought. A few days later the system was super sluggish and I found that every connection that had been made to this service was left open and consuming resources. Switched that to an socat running under systemd and it's been fine since. Never could figure out what exactly the deal was.
- kaba0 3y ago
  With all due respect, I just don’t believe that. Perhaps it’s just rosy glasses on you, or the modern complexity of services/their dependencies.
izacus 3y ago
Seems like OS maintainers can set those settings, what exactly is the problem?
gizmo686 3y ago
Systemd has to pick something as a default. Distributions are more than capable of changing the default on their builds of Systemd if they want to. Feel free to file a bug with Redhat, or Debian, or whoever maintains your distribution and see if they want to change the default on their system.

by isatty 3y ago

bogota 3y ago

The amount of times i had to fight and debug systemd compared to any other init system is at least 10x. Yes it does a lot of stuff for you and in others I had to write custom scripts but it was much more understandable and maintainable long term. Sadly systemd won and now i build my own OS without it.

__float 3y ago
Even for basic service running, complex dependencies are so much more manageable in systemd. I'm glad systemd "won"; it's much more maintainable IMO than shell scripts written once and forgotten about (until they break).
- linsomniac 3y ago
  Agreed, I have some friends that don't like systemd, and I respect their opinions greatly, but my experience with systemd has been quite good over the last decade. I really like it much more than the old init.d scripts. With one exception... I tried to set up a inetd-like service where a script was run on TCP connection with the output going out to the socket. It was tricky to get set up, but eventually I got it working... or so I thought. A few days later the system was super sluggish and I found that every connection that had been made to this service was left open and consuming resources. Switched that to an socat running under systemd and it's been fine since. Never could figure out what exactly the deal was.
kaba0 3y ago
With all due respect, I just don’t believe that. Perhaps it’s just rosy glasses on you, or the modern complexity of services/their dependencies.

izacus 3y ago

Seems like OS maintainers can set those settings, what exactly is the problem?

gizmo686 3y ago

Systemd has to pick something as a default. Distributions are more than capable of changing the default on their builds of Systemd if they want to. Feel free to file a bug with Redhat, or Debian, or whoever maintains your distribution and see if they want to change the default on their system.