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@Dang the current title, and maybe article linked, is going to cause a titanic misunderstanding in what's happening. The 1st party link has a much clearer titl

@Dang the current title, and maybe article linked, is going to cause a titanic misunderstanding in what's happening. The 1st party link has a much clearer title "VMware End of Availability of perpetual licensing and associated products" https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US&ref=thestack.technology https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US&ref=thestac... E.g. it's not that NSX as a whole is discontinued it's that NSX perpetual licensing is discontinued and you must buy the NSX subscription licensing. Some of these other SKUs may not have an equivalent but for anything "big" like NSX or vSphere there will be.

kube-system 3y ago
And the linked blog post: https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-transformation https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-...
CommieBobDole 3y ago
I don't pretend to know the true actual reality of what's going on here, but an article about the end of non-subscription licensing from December of last year is linked in the original article. The current article is about the KB article you linked that lists 53 products which it says are, as of today, no longer available under any license and have been entirely discontinued. Again, not claiming that's what's really going on (maybe it's in error, or the products will be bundled with whatever SKUs they're still going to sell?), but it unambiguously says that these products are discontinued. It mentions the earlier end of non-subscription pricing and implies that this is in addition to that. Edit: Looking further into this, it looks like going forward they will offer two main SKUs, VMware vCenter Foundation and VMware Cloud Foundation, which contain, or contain features from, many of the discontinued products. But none of the listed products will be available separately anymore. It's difficult to find more information than that, because the VMware website is still advertising all of the discontinued stuff as well as the old perpetual licenses that they discontinued a month ago.
- cedilla 3y ago
  It says "not available for purchase" and that users will be recommended what subscription product to use instead. It's written horribly complicated, and it leaves a lot of open questions, but what it does not say is that you can't give money to broadcom to get the features of those products. And it's hard to imagine that this is the end of vsphere. It's just the end of buying vsphere.
- MrZander 3y ago
  Yeah, this is a really unclear announcement. It sounds like they are saying the products are entirely discontinued, including subscriptions, but then they say: "In the future, at the time of renewal, customers will be offered the best subscription products to fit their needs." What does that even mean?
  - skeeter2020 3y ago
    It's very unlikely you cancel an existing contracted subscription in this space, but you need to send a really strong message to get your customers to move, so I actually think this is intentional to scare them but not get them mad enough to lawyer up.
- zamadatix 3y ago
  Good point to highlight that it's really subscription bundles rather than maybe the individual subscriptions some had switched to before.
- tecleandor 3y ago
  Yep, seems like it's going to be a couple of 'all-in-one' products, only by subscription, with some add-ons available: https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-with-vmware-vsphere-foundation.html https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-wi...
justinclift 3y ago
That VMware KB article says the subscription version of those applications is no longer available either. The following products are at End of Availability (EOA). All licensing options including ... subscription, as well as all editions, suites ... are included in this announcement. It sounds like those ones are going away rather than just forcibly transitioning people to a subscription model.

kube-system 3y ago

And the linked blog post: https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-transformation https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-...

CommieBobDole 3y ago

I don't pretend to know the true actual reality of what's going on here, but an article about the end of non-subscription licensing from December of last year is linked in the original article. The current article is about the KB article you linked that lists 53 products which it says are, as of today, no longer available under any license and have been entirely discontinued. Again, not claiming that's what's really going on (maybe it's in error, or the products will be bundled with whatever SKUs they're still going to sell?), but it unambiguously says that these products are discontinued. It mentions the earlier end of non-subscription pricing and implies that this is in addition to that. Edit: Looking further into this, it looks like going forward they will offer two main SKUs, VMware vCenter Foundation and VMware Cloud Foundation, which contain, or contain features from, many of the discontinued products. But none of the listed products will be available separately anymore. It's difficult to find more information than that, because the VMware website is still advertising all of the discontinued stuff as well as the old perpetual licenses that they discontinued a month ago.

cedilla 3y ago
It says "not available for purchase" and that users will be recommended what subscription product to use instead. It's written horribly complicated, and it leaves a lot of open questions, but what it does not say is that you can't give money to broadcom to get the features of those products. And it's hard to imagine that this is the end of vsphere. It's just the end of buying vsphere.
MrZander 3y ago
Yeah, this is a really unclear announcement. It sounds like they are saying the products are entirely discontinued, including subscriptions, but then they say: "In the future, at the time of renewal, customers will be offered the best subscription products to fit their needs." What does that even mean?
- skeeter2020 3y ago
  It's very unlikely you cancel an existing contracted subscription in this space, but you need to send a really strong message to get your customers to move, so I actually think this is intentional to scare them but not get them mad enough to lawyer up.
zamadatix 3y ago
Good point to highlight that it's really subscription bundles rather than maybe the individual subscriptions some had switched to before.
tecleandor 3y ago
Yep, seems like it's going to be a couple of 'all-in-one' products, only by subscription, with some add-ons available: https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-with-vmware-vsphere-foundation.html https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-wi...

justinclift 3y ago

That VMware KB article says the subscription version of those applications is no longer available either. The following products are at End of Availability (EOA). All licensing options including ... subscription, as well as all editions, suites ... are included in this announcement. It sounds like those ones are going away rather than just forcibly transitioning people to a subscription model.