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Wine 9.0 improves ability to run 32-bit EXEsc on 64-bit-only xNix (& Wayland)

65 points by lproven 3y ago

sylware 3y ago
... and I had games working fine with wine/vkd3d 8.x which did stop working once I updated to wine/vkd3d 9.x (same build configuration). That "compatibility" which comes and goes all the time...
- jcd000 3y ago
  That's true, but the overall trend is clear. Wine is pretty good these days. For old windows software it is sometimes better than the latest windows versions.
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    Who knows, some day it might be good enough that microsoft ports it to work directly on windows or via WSL2 for that purpose.
  - sylware 3y ago
    Well, It seems I am unlucky: hardly anything works, when it works it is often shabby, and something properly working does not last long. I am already dealing with the hell of ABI compatibility of ELF because of glibc and gcc devs, dunno if I want to add this hell.
    - vetinari 3y ago
      > Well, It seems I am unlucky: hardly anything works, when it works it is often shabby, and something properly working does not last long. For me, it's amazing. I'm running a windows app on a arm64, non-windows machine. > I am already dealing with the hell of ABI compatibility of ELF because of glibc and gcc devs, dunno if I want to add this hell. ABI of glibc is pretty good, you sure don't do something very wrong?
      - sylware 3y ago
        Well, compatibility with games is literaly hell. And about ELF on elf/linux, I am more than sure, this is another hell because of those guys (I would fire all of them).
hiccuphippo 3y ago
This is great. Having to install all the 32bit versions of tons of libraries was a PITA when trying to use Wine.
SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
Might go back to Wayland if it turns out the new support fixes the flickering I was experiencing in Excel. But I've kinda grown attached to IceWM over the last few months...
ssl-3 3y ago
What's an EXEsc and why would I want to run it on a 64-bit xNix?
- yonatan8070 3y ago
  Not sure if you're sarcastic or not, so I'll answer your question anyway EXEsc: a typo by the HN poster, meant to be EXEs, a plural of EXE, the Windows executable format 32-bit EXEs: Windows executables complied for a 32-bit architecture such as x86 xNix: a general way to refer to Unix like systems (Linux, BSDs, MacOS, etc.) 64-bit xNix: most modern operating systems and PCs use a 64-bit architecture, which require additional dependencies to be installed to run applications compiled for 32-bit architectures So to sum up, this is about running Windows-only software, such as games, on modern Linux and Unix like systems
  - lproven 3y ago
    I am that author, submitter, and lousy typist. Thanks for the correction: you are right in all respects. "Just call me Mr Butterfingers", as Emo Philips said... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlV5iwi0ubg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlV5iwi0ubg
    - ssl-3 3y ago
      It's all good. I knew what you meant, and was being sarcastic when I questioned the title. That said: Can I call you Mr. Bumblefingers, instead?
      - lproven 3y ago
        Just don't call me Shirley.
lproven 3y ago
P.S. I recommend the comments to this release over on LWN. https://lwn.net/Articles/958443/ https://lwn.net/Articles/958443/
LeFantome 3y ago
Does anybody know if this will help ReactOS add WoW support? There is a 64 bit version of ReactOS but it hardly runs anything because XP era software is all 32 bit and ReactOS does not have WoW64.

65 points by lproven 3y ago

... and I had games working fine with wine/vkd3d 8.x which did stop working once I updated to wine/vkd3d 9.x (same build configuration). That "compatibility" which comes and goes all the time...

jcd000 3y ago
That's true, but the overall trend is clear. Wine is pretty good these days. For old windows software it is sometimes better than the latest windows versions.
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  Who knows, some day it might be good enough that microsoft ports it to work directly on windows or via WSL2 for that purpose.
- sylware 3y ago
  Well, It seems I am unlucky: hardly anything works, when it works it is often shabby, and something properly working does not last long. I am already dealing with the hell of ABI compatibility of ELF because of glibc and gcc devs, dunno if I want to add this hell.
  - vetinari 3y ago
    > Well, It seems I am unlucky: hardly anything works, when it works it is often shabby, and something properly working does not last long. For me, it's amazing. I'm running a windows app on a arm64, non-windows machine. > I am already dealing with the hell of ABI compatibility of ELF because of glibc and gcc devs, dunno if I want to add this hell. ABI of glibc is pretty good, you sure don't do something very wrong?
    - sylware 3y ago
      Well, compatibility with games is literaly hell. And about ELF on elf/linux, I am more than sure, this is another hell because of those guys (I would fire all of them).

hiccuphippo 3y ago

This is great. Having to install all the 32bit versions of tons of libraries was a PITA when trying to use Wine.

SuperNinKenDo 3y ago

Might go back to Wayland if it turns out the new support fixes the flickering I was experiencing in Excel. But I've kinda grown attached to IceWM over the last few months...

ssl-3 3y ago

What's an EXEsc and why would I want to run it on a 64-bit xNix?

yonatan8070 3y ago
Not sure if you're sarcastic or not, so I'll answer your question anyway EXEsc: a typo by the HN poster, meant to be EXEs, a plural of EXE, the Windows executable format 32-bit EXEs: Windows executables complied for a 32-bit architecture such as x86 xNix: a general way to refer to Unix like systems (Linux, BSDs, MacOS, etc.) 64-bit xNix: most modern operating systems and PCs use a 64-bit architecture, which require additional dependencies to be installed to run applications compiled for 32-bit architectures So to sum up, this is about running Windows-only software, such as games, on modern Linux and Unix like systems
- lproven 3y ago
  I am that author, submitter, and lousy typist. Thanks for the correction: you are right in all respects. "Just call me Mr Butterfingers", as Emo Philips said... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlV5iwi0ubg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlV5iwi0ubg
  - ssl-3 3y ago
    It's all good. I knew what you meant, and was being sarcastic when I questioned the title. That said: Can I call you Mr. Bumblefingers, instead?
    - lproven 3y ago
      Just don't call me Shirley.

lproven 3y ago

P.S. I recommend the comments to this release over on LWN. https://lwn.net/Articles/958443/ https://lwn.net/Articles/958443/

LeFantome 3y ago

Does anybody know if this will help ReactOS add WoW support? There is a 64 bit version of ReactOS but it hardly runs anything because XP era software is all 32 bit and ReactOS does not have WoW64.