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Title is a little misleading (for me at least), this is not one of the many cases where a group of young people sued their government for a broad violation of t
by burkaman 3y ago
Title is a little misleading (for me at least), this is not one of the many cases where a group of young people sued their government for a broad violation of their rights. This is a more narrow case where the plaintiffs said the government is supposed to consider emissions impact when approving oil and gas projects, and did not. There aren't really any youth directly involved.
The court didn't say Norway can't drill anymore, just that when you're doing an environmental impact assessment of a new oil field (which is required in Norway) you obviously have to assess the impact of burning the oil. I don't think this is very controversial.
- downWidOutaFite 3y agoNatur og Ungdom is a youth group so I don't know why you say youth aren't involved.
- burkaman 3y agoYes sorry you're right, I don't know what I was looking at. Members of that group are 13-25.
- bertil 3y ago> new oil field I was surprised because I assumed Norway wouldn’t open new oil fields. I’d say it’s “interesting,” but what I actually mean isn’t publishable.
- tordrt 3y agoWhy wouldnt Norway open new oil fields?
- belval 3y agoHot take, but I feel like Norway gets greenwashed a lot as better than everywhere else, when they are basically a northern Saudi Arabia in terms of exports with over 70% of their exports being oil and gas.
- Invictus0 3y agoNorway is a beautiful modern liberal democracy, Saudi Arabia is a theocratic desert dictatorship hellhole.
- seb1204 3y agoHaving been to both countries I fully agree. However the GP had a point in that the public image of Norway is hydro power and 90% EVs nowadays. The fact that they are a major oil and gas exporter is not as widespread.
- tordrt 3y agoIs it more immoral to export oil and gas than to actually burn it? Norway is hydro power and a lot of EVs.
- defrost 3y agoThe age old question of the ethical heroin dealer. Does not selling to the local school while riding an electric scooter make it alright?
- Invictus0 3y agoComparing oil to heroin is beyond stupid. It's an essential good responsible for 30% of the world's energy needs. If oil disappeared from the earth tomorrow, entire nations would grind to a halt and millions would die.
- defrost 3y agoI'm sorry, are you unaware of the medical uses for the opium poppy and the millions that would die | experience great pain without it? It's not an exact analgy, sure .. but to describe it as "beyond stupid" is certainly less than bright.
- sershe 3y ago"you obviously have to assess the impact of burning the oil." It's not at all obvious. 1) If we assess all the indirect negative impacts that happen in remote places, nothing will ever be done. Should a factory making phones assess the DALY lost by drivers who get into accidents because of distracted driving? 2) Also, if we are going to assess hypothetical impacts of burning oil, why not assess the positive impacts? This oil could be used to build wind turbines, or to deliver food to a famine-impacted areas, or to raise living standards in the developing world. Generally oil is energy and energy is a precursor to GDP and high living standards. The end result on not developing European (or US) energy reserves is that Europe is going to buy energy from dictators all over the world. Frankly it's one of these cases where I switch to my cynical mode "I hope there's enough civilization left for my lifetime, cause if you are THAT dumb, you deserve to be defeated."
- M95D 3y ago1) If we assess all the indirect negative impacts that happen in remote places, nothing will ever be done. Should a factory making phones assess the DALY lost by drivers who get into accidents because of distracted driving? IMO they really should! 2) Also, if we are going to assess hypothetical impacts of burning oil, why not assess the positive impacts? This oil could be used to build wind turbines, or to deliver food to a famine-impacted areas, or to raise living standards in the developing world. Generally oil is energy and energy is a precursor to GDP and high living standards. And that's what a comprehensive assessment will include. Both positive and negative arguments. But you can't cherry-pick the ones you like. That would invalidate the results.