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So many "hacks" are the equivalent of some fool left the front door wide open. If you left your front door wide and were robbed the public would have 0 sympathy

So many "hacks" are the equivalent of some fool left the front door wide open. If you left your front door wide and were robbed the public would have 0 sympathy for you yet people scream at the Hackers when these companies cheap out and don't do shit to update/maintain/enforce basic best practices around security.

babarock 3y ago
It's not about "sympathy". It's about crime. If you left your front door wide and I robbed you, I'd have committed a crime. There's no "but the front door was open" defense.
- wvenable 3y ago
  But nobody was robbed. This guy looked in the house and then immediately called you to tell your door is open. Instead of thanking him, you sue him for trespassing. Technically, he would be guilty of trespassing.
  - hooverd 3y ago
    Private residentce is a bad analogy. This is like being sued for trespassing because you stepped over a green-grey marble line on the grey-green marble floor of the open ground floor lobby of an office building where you work.
- AndroTux 3y ago
  It’s like telling someone the pin to your safe and then suing them for them opening it. They didn’t even steal anything. They just opened the safe that you gave them the pin for.
bdcravens 3y ago
> If you left your front door wide and were robbed It would still be a crime. I would and should be chastised, but the person who robbed me should still receive a proper punishment.
- skissane 3y ago
  Where I live, walking in the open front door of the house of a stranger is rather antisocial, but not in itself criminal. The real world analogy fails, because this person didn’t take anything (copying isn’t taking since the owner is not deprived of the original) Even unlocking their door with a key you found lying in the street, and then going in, is not in itself criminal (where I live). If you go on to commit a crime while inside, or did it with the intention to commit such a crime-that added fact makes it a crime (“break and enter”). But mere unlocking the door and entering in itself is not.
belval 3y ago
> If you left your front door wide and were robbed the public would have 0 sympathy for you Not sure where you live for that to be the case, but someone coming in because I left my door open is not normal, even if I left my door open. Even if they claim they were "making sure everything was safe".
- shagmin 3y ago
  Normalcy doesn't matter. I think the point is that you're not going to get much sympathy if you leave your front door wide open, leave for work or better yet go on Christmas vacation and have no sign anyone is home, and then come home to find something's been stolen. Maybe a better analogy is leaving a laptop in your car overnight and leaving your car unlocked parked on a busy street. Obviously stealing is a crime and we shouldn't victim blame. But with a lot of software the business isn't much of a victim so much as their customers are, and there doesn't seem to be much incentive for companies pro-actively securing their software. You could argue in hindsight the developer would've been better off selling the vulnerability and/or data to the black market rather than reporting it.

babarock 3y ago

It's not about "sympathy". It's about crime. If you left your front door wide and I robbed you, I'd have committed a crime. There's no "but the front door was open" defense.

wvenable 3y ago
But nobody was robbed. This guy looked in the house and then immediately called you to tell your door is open. Instead of thanking him, you sue him for trespassing. Technically, he would be guilty of trespassing.
- hooverd 3y ago
  Private residentce is a bad analogy. This is like being sued for trespassing because you stepped over a green-grey marble line on the grey-green marble floor of the open ground floor lobby of an office building where you work.
AndroTux 3y ago
It’s like telling someone the pin to your safe and then suing them for them opening it. They didn’t even steal anything. They just opened the safe that you gave them the pin for.

bdcravens 3y ago

> If you left your front door wide and were robbed It would still be a crime. I would and should be chastised, but the person who robbed me should still receive a proper punishment.

skissane 3y ago
Where I live, walking in the open front door of the house of a stranger is rather antisocial, but not in itself criminal. The real world analogy fails, because this person didn’t take anything (copying isn’t taking since the owner is not deprived of the original) Even unlocking their door with a key you found lying in the street, and then going in, is not in itself criminal (where I live). If you go on to commit a crime while inside, or did it with the intention to commit such a crime-that added fact makes it a crime (“break and enter”). But mere unlocking the door and entering in itself is not.

belval 3y ago

> If you left your front door wide and were robbed the public would have 0 sympathy for you Not sure where you live for that to be the case, but someone coming in because I left my door open is not normal, even if I left my door open. Even if they claim they were "making sure everything was safe".

shagmin 3y ago
Normalcy doesn't matter. I think the point is that you're not going to get much sympathy if you leave your front door wide open, leave for work or better yet go on Christmas vacation and have no sign anyone is home, and then come home to find something's been stolen. Maybe a better analogy is leaving a laptop in your car overnight and leaving your car unlocked parked on a busy street. Obviously stealing is a crime and we shouldn't victim blame. But with a lot of software the business isn't much of a victim so much as their customers are, and there doesn't seem to be much incentive for companies pro-actively securing their software. You could argue in hindsight the developer would've been better off selling the vulnerability and/or data to the black market rather than reporting it.