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American here. I can't even put to words my embafflement upon learning that 72 people died in the Grenfell Tower fire in Europe in 2017.

estebank 3y ago
Fire deaths per 100k in 2019: US .82 UK .38 https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates
- anthonypasq 3y ago
  you understand that 1/3 of the country lights on fire annually?
adrian_b 3y ago
That had little to do with stairs, but it was caused by the use of inappropriate combustible materials, which were forbidden for buildings of that height in many countries of continental Europe, but they were allowed in Great Britain were regulations were much more lax. So that event is strictly specific to UK and not representative for Europe in general.
- drcongo 3y ago
  We (UK) had banned those materials too until the tories decided to unban them because many of them are also property developers.
- deleted 3y ago
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- Symbiote 3y ago
  The materials were also forbidden in the UK, but the enforcement of the regulations was very poor. (The materials are produced for use on 1-2 storey buildings, which is fine.)
throwbadubadu 3y ago
That was due to missing stairs? And there is a difference between skyscrapers and 3-6 story multi-apartment buildings where in the worst case you can even exit fine with fire truck ladders or assisted jumps, but the article says even required for those, which would really feel ridiculous for those kind of buildings here. No need to be salty, we find each other alien on many levels :D
- quickthrowman 3y ago
  The cause is irrelevant, 72 people died in a building fire in 2017. That didn’t need to happen.
  - throwbadubadu 3y ago
    Didn't doubt that, but that tragedy was not the point of the "embafflement"-response to the "embafflement"-statement actually, what was my point, so pointless in total, same as you now calling that out again...

estebank 3y ago

Fire deaths per 100k in 2019: US .82 UK .38 https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates

anthonypasq 3y ago
you understand that 1/3 of the country lights on fire annually?

adrian_b 3y ago

That had little to do with stairs, but it was caused by the use of inappropriate combustible materials, which were forbidden for buildings of that height in many countries of continental Europe, but they were allowed in Great Britain were regulations were much more lax. So that event is strictly specific to UK and not representative for Europe in general.

drcongo 3y ago
We (UK) had banned those materials too until the tories decided to unban them because many of them are also property developers.
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Symbiote 3y ago
The materials were also forbidden in the UK, but the enforcement of the regulations was very poor. (The materials are produced for use on 1-2 storey buildings, which is fine.)

throwbadubadu 3y ago

That was due to missing stairs? And there is a difference between skyscrapers and 3-6 story multi-apartment buildings where in the worst case you can even exit fine with fire truck ladders or assisted jumps, but the article says even required for those, which would really feel ridiculous for those kind of buildings here. No need to be salty, we find each other alien on many levels :D

quickthrowman 3y ago
The cause is irrelevant, 72 people died in a building fire in 2017. That didn’t need to happen.
- throwbadubadu 3y ago
  Didn't doubt that, but that tragedy was not the point of the "embafflement"-response to the "embafflement"-statement actually, what was my point, so pointless in total, same as you now calling that out again...