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I knew this was coming. Affordability problems in desirable locales already caused progressives to jettison anti-sprawl initiatives and environmental reviews.

by rsync 3y ago

I knew this was coming. Affordability problems in desirable locales already caused progressives to jettison anti-sprawl initiatives and environmental reviews. It was only a matter of time before our gaze shifted to building codes and life safety provisions as cost-adds that "we" should all work against. It does not gratify me in any way to have foreseen this.

cycomanic 3y ago
> I knew this was coming. > Affordability problems in desirable locales already caused progressives to jettison anti-sprawl initiatives and environmental reviews. > It was only a matter of time before our gaze shifted to building codes and life safety provisions as cost-adds that "we" should all work against. So if your safety provisions yield worse outcomes than other places is it not time to review those regulations? Do you actually care about safety or just about your confirmation bias that "progressives are doing something bad"?
- rsync 3y ago
  Please see my use of the words “our” and “we”. I am one of those progressives. I just haven’t flip-flopped on sprawl and open space and environmental review based on my current economic outlook.
  - sunshowers 3y ago
    Conservationist "hippie" environmentalism is very different from, and in many ways the opposite of, modern climate activism. A general concern for the environment is roughly the only thing they share in common.
epistasis 3y ago
> progressives to jettison anti-sprawl initiatives and environmental reviews. I follow these matters closely in my state and others, but have never heard a single instance of either of these! Could you point to some examples, because I would love to know more, and have not found and examples by searching the web.
- massysett 3y ago
  I don't know if you'd consider him "progressive" enough, but President Biden is trumpeting National Environmental Policy Act reforms. https://www.whitehouse.gov/ceq/news-updates/2023/07/28/biden-harris-administration-proposes-reforms-to-modernize-environmental-reviews-accelerate-americas-clean-energy-future-and-strengthen-public-input/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/ceq/news-updates/2023/07/28/biden...
  - epistasis 3y ago
    This is talking about energy projects, but I don't see any aspect of jettisoning environmental review. Its about making it more effective and faster, which certainly doesn't mean weakening.

by rsync 3y ago

cycomanic 3y ago

> I knew this was coming. > Affordability problems in desirable locales already caused progressives to jettison anti-sprawl initiatives and environmental reviews. > It was only a matter of time before our gaze shifted to building codes and life safety provisions as cost-adds that "we" should all work against. So if your safety provisions yield worse outcomes than other places is it not time to review those regulations? Do you actually care about safety or just about your confirmation bias that "progressives are doing something bad"?

rsync 3y ago
Please see my use of the words “our” and “we”. I am one of those progressives. I just haven’t flip-flopped on sprawl and open space and environmental review based on my current economic outlook.
- sunshowers 3y ago
  Conservationist "hippie" environmentalism is very different from, and in many ways the opposite of, modern climate activism. A general concern for the environment is roughly the only thing they share in common.

epistasis 3y ago

> progressives to jettison anti-sprawl initiatives and environmental reviews. I follow these matters closely in my state and others, but have never heard a single instance of either of these! Could you point to some examples, because I would love to know more, and have not found and examples by searching the web.

massysett 3y ago
I don't know if you'd consider him "progressive" enough, but President Biden is trumpeting National Environmental Policy Act reforms. https://www.whitehouse.gov/ceq/news-updates/2023/07/28/biden-harris-administration-proposes-reforms-to-modernize-environmental-reviews-accelerate-americas-clean-energy-future-and-strengthen-public-input/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/ceq/news-updates/2023/07/28/biden...
- epistasis 3y ago
  This is talking about energy projects, but I don't see any aspect of jettisoning environmental review. Its about making it more effective and faster, which certainly doesn't mean weakening.