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I think for self-hosting as a service to take off you need to persuade people that it's 10x better for non-privacy reasons. That's hard to do because the bigges

I think for self-hosting as a service to take off you need to persuade people that it's 10x better for non-privacy reasons. That's hard to do because the biggest value prop for most folks would be media, but unless you already have a collection it's hard to legally get your hands on DRM-free digital media. When I look at the things I self-host it's mostly media (beets/navidrome/jellyfin/etc) and privacy/longevity-focused alternatives (photoprism/miniflux) Only a few (huginn/archivebox/rmfakecloud/llamacpp) are for general usefulness, but the applications are pretty tech-heavy and not for the average person. I wonder what applications would knock the socks off a non-technical person.

rglullis 3y ago
> unless you already have a collection it's hard to legally get your hands on DRM-free digital media. Sneakernet meets the fediverse: https://funkwhale.audio https://funkwhale.audio
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MeltedVoltage 3y ago
I think self-hosting could be viable for more people if two things would happen: - ISP's need to give a permanent IP's and more upload bandwidth in "regular", low-cost internet plans or at least a "self-hoster" addition - There needs to be a protocol standard to communicate with home routers for auto-configuring the network in a safe way to be able to access services and applications on certain devices outside of the local network. I don't think it currently is possible in a robust enough way With those two things I can imagine dedicated appliances that are accessible enough for non-technical users. But the experience has to be as seamless as video game consoles in order to reach "the masses"
- loughnane 3y ago
  That's a good point. Last I checked I pay $15 for a static IP. For access, i feel something UX-friendly powered by wireguard could do the trick. My own use is to just flip the "connect to my home server" button in wireguard and then I have access to everything. I leave it on most of the time but still have to toggle it if things get weird. Seems like that ought to be able to be wrapped in something prettier. I def think a "box you set up" is the right way to do it.
  - Geisterde 3y ago
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cherryteastain 3y ago
> it's hard to legally get your hands on DRM-free digital media Time to hoist the jolly roger and plunder the high seas, friend
- loughnane 3y ago
  I'm sure most folks on this forum are capable of doing that, but if the question is mass-adoption I think illegal copying of other files---even if the law is bad---is a bar.

rglullis 3y ago

> unless you already have a collection it's hard to legally get your hands on DRM-free digital media. Sneakernet meets the fediverse: https://funkwhale.audio https://funkwhale.audio

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MeltedVoltage 3y ago

I think self-hosting could be viable for more people if two things would happen: - ISP's need to give a permanent IP's and more upload bandwidth in "regular", low-cost internet plans or at least a "self-hoster" addition - There needs to be a protocol standard to communicate with home routers for auto-configuring the network in a safe way to be able to access services and applications on certain devices outside of the local network. I don't think it currently is possible in a robust enough way With those two things I can imagine dedicated appliances that are accessible enough for non-technical users. But the experience has to be as seamless as video game consoles in order to reach "the masses"

loughnane 3y ago
That's a good point. Last I checked I pay $15 for a static IP. For access, i feel something UX-friendly powered by wireguard could do the trick. My own use is to just flip the "connect to my home server" button in wireguard and then I have access to everything. I leave it on most of the time but still have to toggle it if things get weird. Seems like that ought to be able to be wrapped in something prettier. I def think a "box you set up" is the right way to do it.
- Geisterde 3y ago
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cherryteastain 3y ago

> it's hard to legally get your hands on DRM-free digital media Time to hoist the jolly roger and plunder the high seas, friend

loughnane 3y ago
I'm sure most folks on this forum are capable of doing that, but if the question is mass-adoption I think illegal copying of other files---even if the law is bad---is a bar.