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1) I'm not a robot. Humans exist in physical space and it is necessary for our mental health to see other people in person. We cannot get our social battery fil

1) I'm not a robot. Humans exist in physical space and it is necessary for our mental health to see other people in person. We cannot get our social battery filled by virtual interaction alone. 2) Otther people don't participate in these things very often when I try to suggest them. People naturally talk to each other in physical spaces. Therefore, the solution is the office.

RGamma 3y ago
1) heavily depends on the person (you seem the extraverted type who seem to suffer the most; for instance I can go weeks without much f2f interaction and not be disturbed by it). And 2), well, that sucks. Needs a suitable culture and the right setup...
- helboi4 3y ago
  Don't worry I moved to a company where people have to come in 2-3 times a week and the culture is great and I'm not depressed any more. It works much better than any other setup I've tried. My problem with the extraversion/introversion dichotomy is that I'm not either extreme. I am far too introverted to competently fulfil my basic social needs without some form of passive socialising like having an office full of people around me. I don't thrive with going out on the town and making friends like extraverts I know. But I'm definitely not the type of person that can not speak to people for weeks. I think that sort of person is sort of rare and should not be the basis of the entire system. I honestly think that level of introversion is not what most people even mean when they talk about introversion. That is highly unusual and is not how human nature usually works.
  - RGamma 3y ago
    Good to hear, may we all find a niche that works for us.
  - lloeki 3y ago
    > My problem with the extraversion/introversion dichotomy is that I'm not either extreme. I like that and the description that follows because it shows how much the whole thing is neither monochromatic nor even linear. Even when talking inside an {ex,in}troversion model there are all sorts of subtle mechanisms and processes at play, and that's not even beginning to talk about other aspects, from varying shades of ADHD, Asperger, or autistic traits, to delayed sleep disorder syndrome.
lloeki 3y ago
> Humans exist in physical space and it is necessary for our mental health to see other people in person. It does not follow that the deep social interaction that is beneficial to mental health has to happen at work. One can WFH and see people outside of work. Some people enjoy deep social ties with coworkers, others prefer keeping work at a distance from their personal life. > People naturally talk to each other in physical spaces. That is incorrect. Some people do, some others don't.
- helboi4 3y ago
  Seeing as we are forced to spend most of our waking hours working I would rather that I could get something out of that time other than wage slavery.

RGamma 3y ago

1) heavily depends on the person (you seem the extraverted type who seem to suffer the most; for instance I can go weeks without much f2f interaction and not be disturbed by it). And 2), well, that sucks. Needs a suitable culture and the right setup...

helboi4 3y ago
Don't worry I moved to a company where people have to come in 2-3 times a week and the culture is great and I'm not depressed any more. It works much better than any other setup I've tried. My problem with the extraversion/introversion dichotomy is that I'm not either extreme. I am far too introverted to competently fulfil my basic social needs without some form of passive socialising like having an office full of people around me. I don't thrive with going out on the town and making friends like extraverts I know. But I'm definitely not the type of person that can not speak to people for weeks. I think that sort of person is sort of rare and should not be the basis of the entire system. I honestly think that level of introversion is not what most people even mean when they talk about introversion. That is highly unusual and is not how human nature usually works.
- RGamma 3y ago
  Good to hear, may we all find a niche that works for us.
- lloeki 3y ago
  > My problem with the extraversion/introversion dichotomy is that I'm not either extreme. I like that and the description that follows because it shows how much the whole thing is neither monochromatic nor even linear. Even when talking inside an {ex,in}troversion model there are all sorts of subtle mechanisms and processes at play, and that's not even beginning to talk about other aspects, from varying shades of ADHD, Asperger, or autistic traits, to delayed sleep disorder syndrome.

lloeki 3y ago

> Humans exist in physical space and it is necessary for our mental health to see other people in person. It does not follow that the deep social interaction that is beneficial to mental health has to happen at work. One can WFH and see people outside of work. Some people enjoy deep social ties with coworkers, others prefer keeping work at a distance from their personal life. > People naturally talk to each other in physical spaces. That is incorrect. Some people do, some others don't.

helboi4 3y ago
Seeing as we are forced to spend most of our waking hours working I would rather that I could get something out of that time other than wage slavery.