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In practice what that would do is make the platforms even more draconian in how they screw over and abuse the public while giving them the excuse that it isn't

In practice what that would do is make the platforms even more draconian in how they screw over and abuse the public while giving them the excuse that it isn't the platform's fault, the government is forcing them to be evil.

dns_snek 3y ago
In practice, crypto scams, Mr. Beast giveaway scams, and many other types of scams are freely displayed on the front page of YouTube, in the #1 spot of Recommended videos. This is what Google is allowing their platforms right now. Any excuses that originate from stricter duty to protect against obvious scams should be really easy to see through. Personally I don't think they should be asked to act on ambiguous borderline cases where something could be interpreted as a scam by someone, but allowing "send 1 BTC, get 2 back" to display on the front page of Youtube is inexcusable. Either way, they're going to continue doing whatever they want and it's not like they're going to face consequences in our lifetime.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  I agree that those scams being openly on YouTube is an issue, my concern is that we've seen how they blindly abuse the public using retaining DMCA safe harbor as an excuse, so I don't think plainly expecting the company to suppress things will do the job. All of this social media related legislation needs to be rebuilt from the ground up by people who are actually from a current generation. Since fighting false/abusive claims requires more effort than most people/creators can afford and Google only cares about retaining its safe harbor protection, DMCA is heavily abused by both malicious individuals and large companies to suppress anything they dislike. Technically there's a counter-claim system, but IIRC Google just hands over your personal info to the other party to fight the claim in court, which obviously puts anyone being false claimed in a tough spot (fight the claim and dox yourself to a malicious actor or don't fight the claim and get copyright strikes/lose revenue). Sure, everyone can see that Google is just making an excuse to not have to spend more on checking the validity of reports, but ultimately that doesn't really change the fact that they continue to get away with it anyway.

dns_snek 3y ago

In practice, crypto scams, Mr. Beast giveaway scams, and many other types of scams are freely displayed on the front page of YouTube, in the #1 spot of Recommended videos. This is what Google is allowing their platforms right now. Any excuses that originate from stricter duty to protect against obvious scams should be really easy to see through. Personally I don't think they should be asked to act on ambiguous borderline cases where something could be interpreted as a scam by someone, but allowing "send 1 BTC, get 2 back" to display on the front page of Youtube is inexcusable. Either way, they're going to continue doing whatever they want and it's not like they're going to face consequences in our lifetime.

dotnet00 3y ago
I agree that those scams being openly on YouTube is an issue, my concern is that we've seen how they blindly abuse the public using retaining DMCA safe harbor as an excuse, so I don't think plainly expecting the company to suppress things will do the job. All of this social media related legislation needs to be rebuilt from the ground up by people who are actually from a current generation. Since fighting false/abusive claims requires more effort than most people/creators can afford and Google only cares about retaining its safe harbor protection, DMCA is heavily abused by both malicious individuals and large companies to suppress anything they dislike. Technically there's a counter-claim system, but IIRC Google just hands over your personal info to the other party to fight the claim in court, which obviously puts anyone being false claimed in a tough spot (fight the claim and dox yourself to a malicious actor or don't fight the claim and get copyright strikes/lose revenue). Sure, everyone can see that Google is just making an excuse to not have to spend more on checking the validity of reports, but ultimately that doesn't really change the fact that they continue to get away with it anyway.