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> Capitalism means competion, which means strong eat weak. > Socialism, on the other hand, means rational and planned distribution of resources. > reinforced

> Capitalism means competion, which means strong eat weak. > Socialism, on the other hand, means rational and planned distribution of resources. > reinforced concrete in socialist construction, structurally they are better and more earthquake resistant than many modern buildings. > they dont have to kiss their bosses' bums to pay off their mortgage and keep their homes. Are you out of your mind? Have you actually lived under communism? I grew up under soviet occupation and none of those things were even remotely true. The party apparachiks ate the weak for breakfast, no rule of law, no fairness. As the saying goes: everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. The quality of the concrete housing blocks is abysmal, there have been pretty bad collapses, the ventilation and insulation is nonexistent, it's a dreadful existence in them. Availability of apartments was really bad, you had to wait in line for 10 years before you could get one. Then start fixing the flaws by yourself. Wanted a zhiguli car? Wait in line for 5 years to get a permit to buy a car, then go to get it from some ass end corner of russia. After getting home, get few friends to pretty much disassemble the car to make sure that every bolt is actually tightened so the car would not disintegrate randomly. As for kissing bosses asses, this was there even more. Bribes to get basics. Wanted to get sausage, stand in line for a few hours only to find out that "it's run out, wink, wink, gimme a bottle of vodka and wait behind the shop, maybe I find some".

medo-bear 3y ago
> Have you actually lived under communism? Yes, but are you just retelling stories you overheard? > Availability of apartments was really bad, you had to wait in line for 10 years before you could get one. Then start fixing the flaws by yourself The socialist countries were built on litteraly nothing, with a majority of population being illiterate. As developing countries they did very well. A fair comparison would actually be a country like Portugal or south Italy or even Greece. Waiting 10 years for an appartment is nothing, even by standards in the West. What is the average age of (loaned) property purchase in the West? What is the average age of loan repayment? In some advanced Western countries it is generation and a half. > The party apparachiks ate the weak for breakfast, no rule of law, no fairness. As the saying goes: everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. Hahaha and what do you think you have to do today in many Eastern European countries, just to get a stable job. Hahaha All those "apparachiks" just changed sides and do the same shit under capitalism. In my country (EU) this sort of curruption still exists. If you actually need to be told this then I very much doubt you live in Eastern Europe, let alone somewhere not-at-all-corrupt like Ukraine
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  I'm in Estonia. Grew up here as well. Nothing you said is true here. Not sure which EU country you might be in, maybe Hungary judging by the references to corruption.
  - medo-bear 3y ago
    Oh yes, Estonia which welcomed Nazis as liberators in WW2. There are generally 3 countries that have a pathological hatred of Russians - Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland. Im from former Yugoslavia.
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      Oh nice, good old kremlin brainwash again. Something that happened 70 years ago while also forgetting what russians did here at the same time, mass deportations, murder, rape justifies everything. russia still doing that now is completely fine. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhsPQEX0AALM9H?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhsPQEX0AALM9H?format=jpg&name=...
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      It's not hate of russians, it's the dislike of being enslaved and murdered by russians. The same thing that you are currently doing in Ukraine.
      - medo-bear 3y ago
        Actually we were the first to tell Russians to piss off [0]. But just like I wouldn't die for Russians, I wouldnt die for people that have a pathological hatred of them. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split
        jnsaff2 3y ago
        I think someone who keeps shilling for genocide, some fairyland version of communism and tries to gaslight people should maybe check whether pathology could be applicable for themselves.

medo-bear 3y ago

> Have you actually lived under communism? Yes, but are you just retelling stories you overheard? > Availability of apartments was really bad, you had to wait in line for 10 years before you could get one. Then start fixing the flaws by yourself The socialist countries were built on litteraly nothing, with a majority of population being illiterate. As developing countries they did very well. A fair comparison would actually be a country like Portugal or south Italy or even Greece. Waiting 10 years for an appartment is nothing, even by standards in the West. What is the average age of (loaned) property purchase in the West? What is the average age of loan repayment? In some advanced Western countries it is generation and a half. > The party apparachiks ate the weak for breakfast, no rule of law, no fairness. As the saying goes: everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. Hahaha and what do you think you have to do today in many Eastern European countries, just to get a stable job. Hahaha All those "apparachiks" just changed sides and do the same shit under capitalism. In my country (EU) this sort of curruption still exists. If you actually need to be told this then I very much doubt you live in Eastern Europe, let alone somewhere not-at-all-corrupt like Ukraine

jnsaff2 3y ago
I'm in Estonia. Grew up here as well. Nothing you said is true here. Not sure which EU country you might be in, maybe Hungary judging by the references to corruption.
- medo-bear 3y ago
  Oh yes, Estonia which welcomed Nazis as liberators in WW2. There are generally 3 countries that have a pathological hatred of Russians - Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland. Im from former Yugoslavia.
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    Oh nice, good old kremlin brainwash again. Something that happened 70 years ago while also forgetting what russians did here at the same time, mass deportations, murder, rape justifies everything. russia still doing that now is completely fine. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhsPQEX0AALM9H?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhsPQEX0AALM9H?format=jpg&name=...
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    It's not hate of russians, it's the dislike of being enslaved and murdered by russians. The same thing that you are currently doing in Ukraine.
    - medo-bear 3y ago
      Actually we were the first to tell Russians to piss off [0]. But just like I wouldn't die for Russians, I wouldnt die for people that have a pathological hatred of them. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split
      - jnsaff2 3y ago
        I think someone who keeps shilling for genocide, some fairyland version of communism and tries to gaslight people should maybe check whether pathology could be applicable for themselves.