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It seems to me there is a contradiction there between "Apple’s positive effect on my life should not be underestimated [...] and I should love apple for that" a

by rellfy 3y ago

It seems to me there is a contradiction there between "Apple’s positive effect on my life should not be underestimated [...] and I should love apple for that" and "Apple is not a real person and not worthy of your love". People, including those you love, can also do things you don't like. I'm not sure if I have a point here but the line of reasoning there doesn't quite make sense to me.

rogerthis 3y ago
Most of the confusion is because of the lost meaning of "love". In my mom's world, things should be liked, and people loved.
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- jacquesm 3y ago
  Your mom is right. The degree to which people personify brands and get emotionally invested in them is unhealthy.
  - azemetre 3y ago
    When you destroy local institutions and local relationships you replace them with consumerism and materialism. Not healthy for society, but really good for the economy.
    - musha68k 3y ago
      At least in the short to mid term?
  - dfxm12 3y ago
    Apple tries to convince people it isn't a brand, but a lifestyle or an identity. So if you identify as part of this lifestyle, you must love Apple, or you don't love yourself. Some take it a step further and hate Apple's competitors. Perhaps this is related...
    - musha68k 3y ago
      Part of that story of course is their execution, thoughtfulness and great taste to pick “just the right” technical ideas. MacOS X Panther with Aqua’s basically artifact-less and butter smooth postscript based rendering capabilities, the beloved (!) BSD shell I could drop into at any point. All of that in 2003 … a true OS from the future and for the masses! Battery runtime of PPC 7xx also was stellar at the time. AFAIR nothing could compete in relative comparison. Humanistic and design oriented engineering at an excellent level and consistently so. Of course I aspired to be exactly like that as a professional! Too bad they have strayed from that in many ways over the years. They IMO mostly still, but only barely hold the functional high ground these days.
- japhyr 3y ago
  There are things you can love. It might sound silly unless you've climbed mountains in the winter, but I love my ice axe. It's let me go places I'd never be able to go otherwise. That said, it is different from the love I have for people. When my son was young and would treat people poorly over things, I told him there are three kinds of things we can love: people, places, and things. When there's any conflict, the priority should almost always be in that order.
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  As with all words, it's all in the context. "Love" can mean really, really like, or it can mean the emotion of love, depending on how it's used.
hirako2000 3y ago
I think what is meant by "should love" is that it would be natural to, or for our emotions to prompt for affection towards, Apple for its good deeds. but the point is to resist that because Apple is just an emotionless business entity. It's rather clearly worded and I see no contradiction.
TheCleric 3y ago
Don’t love something that can’t love you back. It’ll only end in pain.

by rellfy 3y ago

rogerthis 3y ago

Most of the confusion is because of the lost meaning of "love". In my mom's world, things should be liked, and people loved.

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jacquesm 3y ago
Your mom is right. The degree to which people personify brands and get emotionally invested in them is unhealthy.
- azemetre 3y ago
  When you destroy local institutions and local relationships you replace them with consumerism and materialism. Not healthy for society, but really good for the economy.
  - musha68k 3y ago
    At least in the short to mid term?
- dfxm12 3y ago
  Apple tries to convince people it isn't a brand, but a lifestyle or an identity. So if you identify as part of this lifestyle, you must love Apple, or you don't love yourself. Some take it a step further and hate Apple's competitors. Perhaps this is related...
  - musha68k 3y ago
    Part of that story of course is their execution, thoughtfulness and great taste to pick “just the right” technical ideas. MacOS X Panther with Aqua’s basically artifact-less and butter smooth postscript based rendering capabilities, the beloved (!) BSD shell I could drop into at any point. All of that in 2003 … a true OS from the future and for the masses! Battery runtime of PPC 7xx also was stellar at the time. AFAIR nothing could compete in relative comparison. Humanistic and design oriented engineering at an excellent level and consistently so. Of course I aspired to be exactly like that as a professional! Too bad they have strayed from that in many ways over the years. They IMO mostly still, but only barely hold the functional high ground these days.
japhyr 3y ago
There are things you can love. It might sound silly unless you've climbed mountains in the winter, but I love my ice axe. It's let me go places I'd never be able to go otherwise. That said, it is different from the love I have for people. When my son was young and would treat people poorly over things, I told him there are three kinds of things we can love: people, places, and things. When there's any conflict, the priority should almost always be in that order.
stronglikedan 3y ago
As with all words, it's all in the context. "Love" can mean really, really like, or it can mean the emotion of love, depending on how it's used.

hirako2000 3y ago

I think what is meant by "should love" is that it would be natural to, or for our emotions to prompt for affection towards, Apple for its good deeds. but the point is to resist that because Apple is just an emotionless business entity. It's rather clearly worded and I see no contradiction.

TheCleric 3y ago

Don’t love something that can’t love you back. It’ll only end in pain.