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Your parents aren't exactly a predictor of current or future markets. Most people under 30 with the financial ability to buy a subscription have heard of ChatGP

by siva7 3y ago

Your parents aren't exactly a predictor of current or future markets. Most people under 30 with the financial ability to buy a subscription have heard of ChatGPT. That's the only thing that counts in market terms.

eagleusr 3y ago
Agreed that origin commenter's two parents are not a great enough sample size to gauge the popularity of generative AI implementations such as ChatGPT.
- lm28469 3y ago
  The data point is the article and reality. My comment was just part of the answer, aka real world AI usage is nowhere close to what people want to believe here. One commenter says everyone under 30 has a paid chatgpt account, yet chatgpt as a self reported user base of 185 millions, with only 100 millions unique active user per week, a far cry from every people under 30 with a spare 20$. Even if every single one of these people installed bing on all their devices it wouldn't make a dent... chrome is used by more than 3b people. I took a bet last year on this very forum about how chatgpt wouldn't become anywhere to what the HN prophets promised, I can take another bet for 2025 lmao https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/ https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/543218/worldwide-internet-users-by-browser/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/543218/worldwide-interne...
wongarsu 3y ago
GP's parents aren't a good datapoint because LLMs are still in the early adopter phase. Which tracks with LLMs not making a big difference in Bing's market share (yet).
sebastianz 3y ago
> Most people under 30 with the financial ability to buy a subscription have heard of ChatGPT. That's the only thing that counts in market terms You formulated this as if you are sure of it and it is a fact. Could you link a source?
- reaperman 3y ago
  I have a lot of friends who have incredibly varied backgrounds and this rings true for me. A friend who grew up in the worst rural schools, still lives in mobile home 2.5 hours from the nearest major city, driving 35 minutes through the country to their restaurant job in their grandmothers car, while taking care of the 3-year old kid they had when they were 18 while co-parenting with their divorced husband, while dealing with felony drug charges, and makes <$1,500/month has absolutely grokked the realities of ChatGPT and Midjourney without me mentioning anything about it to them. Instagram and TikTok expose people to these trends and mobile apps with free accounts open up immediate exploration to the masses. Two friends who are 35 year old mostly-unemployed interior designers with an anthropology degree and no college degree are using it for drafting quotes. Every lawyer, MBB consultant, and computer programmer I know either uses them heavily or are aware of colleagues who do. I tutor a ton of students at a mid-tier state school, every single student I know in high school or university are using ChatGPT for their schoolwork. And the 5-7 year olds I know have much worse typing skills than I had at that age, because they use Siri to do 90% of the things on their phone/tablets. It annoys the shit out of me because it looks so painful and the noise of them talking to their phone is obnoxious, but I can absolutely see the paradigm changing to where the youngest generation might not even use keyboards for their first choice as a computing interface. Powerful LLM's will greatly improve their interaction with Siri.
lm28469 3y ago
> Your parents aren't exactly a predictor of current or future markets Sure but they have two phones, two laptops and a desktop, all of them running chrome with absolutely no reason to switch Hence I'm not surprised adding a gimmick to bing didn't create any market share movement 100m active chatgpt users 3b chrome users Do the maths, even pinterest and quora have 2-4 times more active users
- siva7 3y ago
  Ok, let's do the math. How many pinterest and quora users are paying for a subscription? 0? How many chrome users? 0? How many ChatGPT users? 100m. That's far more impressive than having 3b users who can't or don't want to pay anything. Are pinterest, quora and google relying on the ads business model? Sure. OpenAI? Not so much. They have the users actually paying for the service.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Does any of that have anything to do with bing market share ? (also no, not 100% of chatgpt users are paid users, far from it) Impressive or not I don't really care, all I'm saying is that even if they all left chrome to go to bing (and they didn't) it wouldn't have been much more than a 1% market share movement, which is what we've seen, hence there is no reason to be surprised.
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    > How many ChatGPT users? 100m 100m people are paying for ChatGPT?
    - morsch 3y ago
      No.
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by siva7 3y ago

eagleusr 3y ago

Agreed that origin commenter's two parents are not a great enough sample size to gauge the popularity of generative AI implementations such as ChatGPT.

lm28469 3y ago
The data point is the article and reality. My comment was just part of the answer, aka real world AI usage is nowhere close to what people want to believe here. One commenter says everyone under 30 has a paid chatgpt account, yet chatgpt as a self reported user base of 185 millions, with only 100 millions unique active user per week, a far cry from every people under 30 with a spare 20$. Even if every single one of these people installed bing on all their devices it wouldn't make a dent... chrome is used by more than 3b people. I took a bet last year on this very forum about how chatgpt wouldn't become anywhere to what the HN prophets promised, I can take another bet for 2025 lmao https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/ https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/543218/worldwide-internet-users-by-browser/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/543218/worldwide-interne...

wongarsu 3y ago

GP's parents aren't a good datapoint because LLMs are still in the early adopter phase. Which tracks with LLMs not making a big difference in Bing's market share (yet).

sebastianz 3y ago

> Most people under 30 with the financial ability to buy a subscription have heard of ChatGPT. That's the only thing that counts in market terms You formulated this as if you are sure of it and it is a fact. Could you link a source?

reaperman 3y ago
I have a lot of friends who have incredibly varied backgrounds and this rings true for me. A friend who grew up in the worst rural schools, still lives in mobile home 2.5 hours from the nearest major city, driving 35 minutes through the country to their restaurant job in their grandmothers car, while taking care of the 3-year old kid they had when they were 18 while co-parenting with their divorced husband, while dealing with felony drug charges, and makes <$1,500/month has absolutely grokked the realities of ChatGPT and Midjourney without me mentioning anything about it to them. Instagram and TikTok expose people to these trends and mobile apps with free accounts open up immediate exploration to the masses. Two friends who are 35 year old mostly-unemployed interior designers with an anthropology degree and no college degree are using it for drafting quotes. Every lawyer, MBB consultant, and computer programmer I know either uses them heavily or are aware of colleagues who do. I tutor a ton of students at a mid-tier state school, every single student I know in high school or university are using ChatGPT for their schoolwork. And the 5-7 year olds I know have much worse typing skills than I had at that age, because they use Siri to do 90% of the things on their phone/tablets. It annoys the shit out of me because it looks so painful and the noise of them talking to their phone is obnoxious, but I can absolutely see the paradigm changing to where the youngest generation might not even use keyboards for their first choice as a computing interface. Powerful LLM's will greatly improve their interaction with Siri.

lm28469 3y ago

> Your parents aren't exactly a predictor of current or future markets Sure but they have two phones, two laptops and a desktop, all of them running chrome with absolutely no reason to switch Hence I'm not surprised adding a gimmick to bing didn't create any market share movement 100m active chatgpt users 3b chrome users Do the maths, even pinterest and quora have 2-4 times more active users

siva7 3y ago
Ok, let's do the math. How many pinterest and quora users are paying for a subscription? 0? How many chrome users? 0? How many ChatGPT users? 100m. That's far more impressive than having 3b users who can't or don't want to pay anything. Are pinterest, quora and google relying on the ads business model? Sure. OpenAI? Not so much. They have the users actually paying for the service.
- lm28469 3y ago
  Does any of that have anything to do with bing market share ? (also no, not 100% of chatgpt users are paid users, far from it) Impressive or not I don't really care, all I'm saying is that even if they all left chrome to go to bing (and they didn't) it wouldn't have been much more than a 1% market share movement, which is what we've seen, hence there is no reason to be surprised.
- lostmsu 3y ago
  > How many ChatGPT users? 100m 100m people are paying for ChatGPT?
  - morsch 3y ago
    No.

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