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I understand and appreciate your point, but I would like to point out there is a large segment of society that, if shown an article from The Onion, wouldn't rea

I understand and appreciate your point, but I would like to point out there is a large segment of society that, if shown an article from The Onion, wouldn't realize it is satire.

dotancohen 3y ago
And those peoples' votes matter no less than yours. Misinformation is very dangerous in a democracy, especially when it is easier to sow than real information.
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Buttons840 3y ago
I think it's okay for The Onion to make satirical news reports, but maybe not okay to make a realistic deep-fake of someone. An actor could dress and act like that person though.
- criddell 3y ago
  Would this be allowed: https://www.theonion.com/frail-emaciated-mlb-players-still-a-few-weeks-away-fro-1851169390 https://www.theonion.com/frail-emaciated-mlb-players-still-a... In case you aren't a baseball fan, that's a photoshopped image of baseball player Cory Seager.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    I was maybe on Buttons side but your checkmate won me over.
- Cheer2171 3y ago
  What about a comedian who does voice impressions that are good enough to be indistinguishable from the politician to the average person?
  - jprete 3y ago
    If the comedian starts using that ability to make people think the politician said something they didn't say, then the comedian is guilty of fraud. Also, "humans can do it" is not a reason to allow AI to do the same thing. GenAI systems can do things at high speed 24 hours a day forever and the fraud potential is much much much higher.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      > then the comedian is guilty of fraud Fraud wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain What's the personal gain here?
      - hn_acker 3y ago
        Thought experiment: If I steal someone else's credit card to buy things (example from FindLaw [1]) that I won't use just to harm my victim, would I be committing fraud? Or would only the non-fraud charges apply? [1] https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/fraud.html https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/fraud.html
        Cheer2171 3y ago
        Don't trust findlaw.com or a dictionary definition. It doesn't matter if you personally gain. Here is the actual text of the US federal fraud statute [1] "....obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises....." [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1341 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1341
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      Thats not fraud thats just lying. lying is legal.

I understand and appreciate your point, but I would like to point out there is a large segment of society that, if shown an article from The Onion, wouldn't realize it is satire.

dotancohen 3y ago

And those peoples' votes matter no less than yours. Misinformation is very dangerous in a democracy, especially when it is easier to sow than real information.

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Buttons840 3y ago

I think it's okay for The Onion to make satirical news reports, but maybe not okay to make a realistic deep-fake of someone. An actor could dress and act like that person though.

criddell 3y ago
Would this be allowed: https://www.theonion.com/frail-emaciated-mlb-players-still-a-few-weeks-away-fro-1851169390 https://www.theonion.com/frail-emaciated-mlb-players-still-a... In case you aren't a baseball fan, that's a photoshopped image of baseball player Cory Seager.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  I was maybe on Buttons side but your checkmate won me over.
Cheer2171 3y ago
What about a comedian who does voice impressions that are good enough to be indistinguishable from the politician to the average person?
- jprete 3y ago
  If the comedian starts using that ability to make people think the politician said something they didn't say, then the comedian is guilty of fraud. Also, "humans can do it" is not a reason to allow AI to do the same thing. GenAI systems can do things at high speed 24 hours a day forever and the fraud potential is much much much higher.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > then the comedian is guilty of fraud Fraud wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain What's the personal gain here?
    - hn_acker 3y ago
      Thought experiment: If I steal someone else's credit card to buy things (example from FindLaw [1]) that I won't use just to harm my victim, would I be committing fraud? Or would only the non-fraud charges apply? [1] https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/fraud.html https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/fraud.html
      - Cheer2171 3y ago
        Don't trust findlaw.com or a dictionary definition. It doesn't matter if you personally gain. Here is the actual text of the US federal fraud statute [1] "....obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises....." [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1341 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1341
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    Thats not fraud thats just lying. lying is legal.