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> How are you supposed to do that? By doing the tasks that don't require as much specialism, across more vendors. You can target who you like on a spectrum of

> How are you supposed to do that? By doing the tasks that don't require as much specialism, across more vendors. You can target who you like on a spectrum of niche but expensive jobs to mass-market but cheaper jobs. I would only object to people choosing niche but expensive, and then complaining about the niche. > This is why Right to Repair is a thing, and it's weird that your analogy to something you think should happen is a thing widely regarded as deserving of scorn and opposition Scornful people have always existed, but that doesn't mean they should be especially listened to. We aren't talking about right to repair. Anyone can repair a BMW, but they need more training and tools to do the harder jobs.

smoldesu 3y ago
> Scornful people have always existed, but that doesn't mean they should be especially listened to. Are you describing consumer lobbyists or Apple, with these words?
AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> By doing the tasks that don't require as much specialism, across more vendors. At which point your analogy breaks down, because nobody was objecting to that. If you need to buy metric wrenches for iOS and imperial wrenches for Android, but you could buy either of them from whoever you want, nobody is paying a monopoly rent for wrenches. Or to drop the analogy, you have to write your app for two different system APIs if you want system-specific behavior, but c'est la vie. The issue comes when someone both wants to charge for access to something like that and preclude anyone else from creating an alternative, which is the analogous thing to what creates the need for right to repair. It's not just that you need to learn how a BWM differs from a Ford or a Toyota, it's that they encrypt or otherwise purposely obfuscate the bus and then purposely charge a fee designed to drive independent mechanics out of the market and force customers into the dealership, or don't sell the tools necessary to do it at all. If Apple was charging 30% but there were viable alternative means to install iOS apps without paying that, nobody would be objecting to it because they would just use the alternative means. But they do that and preclude alternatives, which is the problem.

smoldesu 3y ago

> Scornful people have always existed, but that doesn't mean they should be especially listened to. Are you describing consumer lobbyists or Apple, with these words?

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> By doing the tasks that don't require as much specialism, across more vendors. At which point your analogy breaks down, because nobody was objecting to that. If you need to buy metric wrenches for iOS and imperial wrenches for Android, but you could buy either of them from whoever you want, nobody is paying a monopoly rent for wrenches. Or to drop the analogy, you have to write your app for two different system APIs if you want system-specific behavior, but c'est la vie. The issue comes when someone both wants to charge for access to something like that and preclude anyone else from creating an alternative, which is the analogous thing to what creates the need for right to repair. It's not just that you need to learn how a BWM differs from a Ford or a Toyota, it's that they encrypt or otherwise purposely obfuscate the bus and then purposely charge a fee designed to drive independent mechanics out of the market and force customers into the dealership, or don't sell the tools necessary to do it at all. If Apple was charging 30% but there were viable alternative means to install iOS apps without paying that, nobody would be objecting to it because they would just use the alternative means. But they do that and preclude alternatives, which is the problem.