> If you want to consider an "us vs them" with your example of the US Military, then okay. But I was consider us/we as human species. Before the US was even inv

> If you want to consider an "us vs them" with your example of the US Military, then okay. But I was consider us/we as human species. Before the US was even invented, Europeans were burning coal like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Does the US produce a lot, absofuckinglutely, there's no denying that. At the risk of whataboutism, there's plenty of other countries that have pollution levels today that the US has not seen since the 1970s. There are things that can be done, and it shouldn't be such a damn fight to make it better. The point you are trying to make here is hard to parse. Could you rephrase? As a quick challenge... in your original post you talk about "We know we don't have to do these things" and I find statements like these assisine, especially when you further clarified yourself to me "we as a species." We as a species know nothing. Minds know things, species cannot. This is important. If you disagree, I would invite you to read Neo-nihilism (https://a.co/d/hWPpBBn https://a.co/d/hWPpBBn) and think about how it applies to making collective calls about us as a species. > Personal responsibility is the one that that a person can have direct change on though. To me, the real issue is the greedy corporations constantly looking to reduce costs at every turn to increase the profits. They introduced plastic to reduce costs from raw materials and shipping. The reduction in cost wasn't passed along to the consumers though. We've moved from shopping in local stores to having everything delivered in wasteful packaging. I don't particularly disagree with the direction your heading, but you still are missing the complexity. "greedy corporations" is a shorthand for a much more complex situation that deserves to be considered, and it stills falls back onto the "If we just weren't so sinful, things would be better" trap. The paragraph was also an admission that even you believe my initial criticism was valid. just sayin. > There are so many places we've fucked up. It's just a natural thing for humans to do. No! We build as much as we fuck up. Also, fuck any idea predicated on what is "natural" or not. Mother cats eating their unviable kittens is natural. Ducks procreating mostly through rape is natural. 1 in 3 black cap chickadees dying every year just because of winter is natural. _Mosquitos_ are natural. Fuck all of that. > When they are presented with knobs and levers to push/pull/turn, they all get turned to the max in whatever direction makes more $$$$. Look at the damage we did to farming resulting in the dust bowl as an example. People just can't help themselves. Watch the documentary I linked. It may say something that resonates with you. I feel this way because of your last statement here. edit: Thanks for the posting tip!