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This argument has been repeatedly made over the past 24 hours with a lot of emotion but little justification. The judge forced Apple to unbundle their payments

This argument has been repeatedly made over the past 24 hours with a lot of emotion but little justification. The judge forced Apple to unbundle their payments. Apple's solution to that is probably overly restrictive. And I suspect that you're right that 27% is too large a cut to survive. With both of those points granted, though, your argument seems to be that Apple should be obliged to host, distribute, and market apps (including the burden of moderation and malware prevention) for free. That any commission is too much of a commission. Can I ask you to elaborate on why you believe that Apple should be singled out and mandated to perform a service for free?

OsrsNeedsf2P 3y ago
Other than the fact I spent 1'000$ on my iPhone?
beanjuiceII 3y ago
They don't have to perform that service if they allow other app stores or people install apps like they can on macos. The app store is more for Apple than it is for devs
Someone 3y ago
> And I suspect that you're right that 27% is too large a cut to survive. I don’t see that being killed soon. The 3% for payment processors is a lot higher than the 0,2% or 0,3% limits for debet/credit card payments within the EU (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/fees-for-card-based-payments.html https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/fees-for-..., and AFAIK no payment processor decided to leave the EU market because they couldn’t earn money anymore. There also is ‘prior art’ for that 3%/27% split in the case of dating apps in the Netherlands, where the Dutch regulator declared that OK (https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/13/apple-dutch-dating-apps-payment-order-compliance https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/13/apple-dutch-dating-apps-pa...). AFAIK, there hasn’t been further action on that front.
- TillE 3y ago
  That regulation seems completely irrelevant, PayPal charges much more than that in Europe.
  - Someone 3y ago
    I don’t see how it’s irrelevant. The EU has said what they find reasonable for payment processing, and AFAIK nobody walked away, and Apple ‘gives’ more. Also, PayPal is more than a payment processor. It also is a broker (and, effectively, also a shop).
asadotzler 3y ago
>your argument seems to be that Apple should be obliged to host, distribute, and market apps (including the burden of moderation and malware prevention) for free. OR, you know, let me use an alternate store that has the policies I approve of.

OsrsNeedsf2P 3y ago

Other than the fact I spent 1'000$ on my iPhone?

beanjuiceII 3y ago

They don't have to perform that service if they allow other app stores or people install apps like they can on macos. The app store is more for Apple than it is for devs

Someone 3y ago

> And I suspect that you're right that 27% is too large a cut to survive. I don’t see that being killed soon. The 3% for payment processors is a lot higher than the 0,2% or 0,3% limits for debet/credit card payments within the EU (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/fees-for-card-based-payments.html https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/fees-for-..., and AFAIK no payment processor decided to leave the EU market because they couldn’t earn money anymore. There also is ‘prior art’ for that 3%/27% split in the case of dating apps in the Netherlands, where the Dutch regulator declared that OK (https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/13/apple-dutch-dating-apps-payment-order-compliance https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/13/apple-dutch-dating-apps-pa...). AFAIK, there hasn’t been further action on that front.

TillE 3y ago
That regulation seems completely irrelevant, PayPal charges much more than that in Europe.
- Someone 3y ago
  I don’t see how it’s irrelevant. The EU has said what they find reasonable for payment processing, and AFAIK nobody walked away, and Apple ‘gives’ more. Also, PayPal is more than a payment processor. It also is a broker (and, effectively, also a shop).

asadotzler 3y ago

>your argument seems to be that Apple should be obliged to host, distribute, and market apps (including the burden of moderation and malware prevention) for free. OR, you know, let me use an alternate store that has the policies I approve of.