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I’m not offering it; IMO stuff at this scale should be ruminated upon. Summaries and snap judgements will be wrong.

by nullstyle 3y ago

gausswho 3y ago
Then your contribution is noise. This is HN. You don't make your case by dropping a video link.
- nullstyle 3y ago
  Hi kettle
dylan604 3y ago
that's pretty lame. you were not asked for your opinion. you provided a link to a 2.5+ hour video. you were asked to summarize it. if you can't summarize something without including your opinion and snap judgement, then this isn't really someone worth having a conversation. you can't come at someone with a video saying "here's why i think your wrong" and not be able to explain what the video is about and expect people to take you seriously
- nullstyle 3y ago
  I sort of expected as much out of someone who characterizes the issue as you do, so I'll offer you a contradiction: Why is climate change "our" fault when the number one, single biggest emitter of greenhouse gas in the world is the US Military. Where does my personal responsibility factor into the motions of Arleigh Burke-class destroyers? Is there a letter I can send to make a difference? If you believe so, I've got a bridge to sell you. The reality by my reckoning is that my choices and actions exist almost entirely separate from the goings on of geopolitics, and that's why the situation is more complicated than "We are just too lazy." That's just one face of the shit die we are rolling. The video I mentioned is a deep dive on another face of this poopy-d20: The face that says "Climate change wouldn't be an issue if we just had fewer people to deal with." I won't summarize the two and a half hour long video because it deserves to be watched and commented on directly, rather than given the internet hot-take you request. And for the record, I think your attitude is lame too. I wasn't saying anything about my snap judgement, I was saying the documentary doesn't deserve _your_ snap judgement. My judgement is that the video challenges people who think personal responsibility is _the_ driving factor in climate change. Furthermore, I'm not looking for a conversation, but rather I'm hoping you stop talking and start gaining some better perspective on that which you comment. But you do you... I'm not trying to tell you how to internet. P.S. Rate limits on posting in this space is one more reason why we can't have a conversation here.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    > P.S. Rate limits on posting in this space is one more reason why we can't have a conversation here. Shhh...it's a secret. Click on the date after username, and go directly to the reply without the time out. If you want to consider an "us vs them" with your example of the US Military, then okay. But I was consider us/we as human species. Before the US was even invented, Europeans were burning coal like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Does the US produce a lot, absofuckinglutely, there's no denying that. At the risk of whataboutism, there's plenty of other countries that have pollution levels today that the US has not seen since the 1970s. There are things that can be done, and it shouldn't be such a damn fight to make it better. Personal responsibility is the one that that a person can have direct change on though. To me, the real issue is the greedy corporations constantly looking to reduce costs at every turn to increase the profits. They introduced plastic to reduce costs from raw materials and shipping. The reduction in cost wasn't passed along to the consumers though. We've moved from shopping in local stores to having everything delivered in wasteful packaging. There are so many places we've fucked up. It's just a natural thing for humans to do. When they are presented with knobs and levers to push/pull/turn, they all get turned to the max in whatever direction makes more $$$$. Look at the damage we did to farming resulting in the dust bowl as an example. People just can't help themselves.
    - gausswho 3y ago
      I reckon you rolled in the mud when you didn't have to here. In this comment you pulled in more material when what was there before was stronger.
    - nullstyle 3y ago
      > If you want to consider an "us vs them" with your example of the US Military, then okay. But I was consider us/we as human species. Before the US was even invented, Europeans were burning coal like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Does the US produce a lot, absofuckinglutely, there's no denying that. At the risk of whataboutism, there's plenty of other countries that have pollution levels today that the US has not seen since the 1970s. There are things that can be done, and it shouldn't be such a damn fight to make it better. The point you are trying to make here is hard to parse. Could you rephrase? As a quick challenge... in your original post you talk about "We know we don't have to do these things" and I find statements like these assisine, especially when you further clarified yourself to me "we as a species." We as a species know nothing. Minds know things, species cannot. This is important. If you disagree, I would invite you to read Neo-nihilism (https://a.co/d/hWPpBBn https://a.co/d/hWPpBBn) and think about how it applies to making collective calls about us as a species. > Personal responsibility is the one that that a person can have direct change on though. To me, the real issue is the greedy corporations constantly looking to reduce costs at every turn to increase the profits. They introduced plastic to reduce costs from raw materials and shipping. The reduction in cost wasn't passed along to the consumers though. We've moved from shopping in local stores to having everything delivered in wasteful packaging. I don't particularly disagree with the direction your heading, but you still are missing the complexity. "greedy corporations" is a shorthand for a much more complex situation that deserves to be considered, and it stills falls back onto the "If we just weren't so sinful, things would be better" trap. The paragraph was also an admission that even you believe my initial criticism was valid. just sayin. > There are so many places we've fucked up. It's just a natural thing for humans to do. No! We build as much as we fuck up. Also, fuck any idea predicated on what is "natural" or not. Mother cats eating their unviable kittens is natural. Ducks procreating mostly through rape is natural. 1 in 3 black cap chickadees dying every year just because of winter is natural. _Mosquitos_ are natural. Fuck all of that. > When they are presented with knobs and levers to push/pull/turn, they all get turned to the max in whatever direction makes more $$$$. Look at the damage we did to farming resulting in the dust bowl as an example. People just can't help themselves. Watch the documentary I linked. It may say something that resonates with you. I feel this way because of your last statement here. edit: Thanks for the posting tip!

I’m not offering it; IMO stuff at this scale should be ruminated upon. Summaries and snap judgements will be wrong.

gausswho 3y ago

Then your contribution is noise. This is HN. You don't make your case by dropping a video link.

nullstyle 3y ago
Hi kettle

dylan604 3y ago

that's pretty lame. you were not asked for your opinion. you provided a link to a 2.5+ hour video. you were asked to summarize it. if you can't summarize something without including your opinion and snap judgement, then this isn't really someone worth having a conversation. you can't come at someone with a video saying "here's why i think your wrong" and not be able to explain what the video is about and expect people to take you seriously

nullstyle 3y ago
I sort of expected as much out of someone who characterizes the issue as you do, so I'll offer you a contradiction: Why is climate change "our" fault when the number one, single biggest emitter of greenhouse gas in the world is the US Military. Where does my personal responsibility factor into the motions of Arleigh Burke-class destroyers? Is there a letter I can send to make a difference? If you believe so, I've got a bridge to sell you. The reality by my reckoning is that my choices and actions exist almost entirely separate from the goings on of geopolitics, and that's why the situation is more complicated than "We are just too lazy." That's just one face of the shit die we are rolling. The video I mentioned is a deep dive on another face of this poopy-d20: The face that says "Climate change wouldn't be an issue if we just had fewer people to deal with." I won't summarize the two and a half hour long video because it deserves to be watched and commented on directly, rather than given the internet hot-take you request. And for the record, I think your attitude is lame too. I wasn't saying anything about my snap judgement, I was saying the documentary doesn't deserve _your_ snap judgement. My judgement is that the video challenges people who think personal responsibility is _the_ driving factor in climate change. Furthermore, I'm not looking for a conversation, but rather I'm hoping you stop talking and start gaining some better perspective on that which you comment. But you do you... I'm not trying to tell you how to internet. P.S. Rate limits on posting in this space is one more reason why we can't have a conversation here.
- dylan604 3y ago
  > P.S. Rate limits on posting in this space is one more reason why we can't have a conversation here. Shhh...it's a secret. Click on the date after username, and go directly to the reply without the time out. If you want to consider an "us vs them" with your example of the US Military, then okay. But I was consider us/we as human species. Before the US was even invented, Europeans were burning coal like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Does the US produce a lot, absofuckinglutely, there's no denying that. At the risk of whataboutism, there's plenty of other countries that have pollution levels today that the US has not seen since the 1970s. There are things that can be done, and it shouldn't be such a damn fight to make it better. Personal responsibility is the one that that a person can have direct change on though. To me, the real issue is the greedy corporations constantly looking to reduce costs at every turn to increase the profits. They introduced plastic to reduce costs from raw materials and shipping. The reduction in cost wasn't passed along to the consumers though. We've moved from shopping in local stores to having everything delivered in wasteful packaging. There are so many places we've fucked up. It's just a natural thing for humans to do. When they are presented with knobs and levers to push/pull/turn, they all get turned to the max in whatever direction makes more $$$$. Look at the damage we did to farming resulting in the dust bowl as an example. People just can't help themselves.
  - gausswho 3y ago
    I reckon you rolled in the mud when you didn't have to here. In this comment you pulled in more material when what was there before was stronger.
  - nullstyle 3y ago
    > If you want to consider an "us vs them" with your example of the US Military, then okay. But I was consider us/we as human species. Before the US was even invented, Europeans were burning coal like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Does the US produce a lot, absofuckinglutely, there's no denying that. At the risk of whataboutism, there's plenty of other countries that have pollution levels today that the US has not seen since the 1970s. There are things that can be done, and it shouldn't be such a damn fight to make it better. The point you are trying to make here is hard to parse. Could you rephrase? As a quick challenge... in your original post you talk about "We know we don't have to do these things" and I find statements like these assisine, especially when you further clarified yourself to me "we as a species." We as a species know nothing. Minds know things, species cannot. This is important. If you disagree, I would invite you to read Neo-nihilism (https://a.co/d/hWPpBBn https://a.co/d/hWPpBBn) and think about how it applies to making collective calls about us as a species. > Personal responsibility is the one that that a person can have direct change on though. To me, the real issue is the greedy corporations constantly looking to reduce costs at every turn to increase the profits. They introduced plastic to reduce costs from raw materials and shipping. The reduction in cost wasn't passed along to the consumers though. We've moved from shopping in local stores to having everything delivered in wasteful packaging. I don't particularly disagree with the direction your heading, but you still are missing the complexity. "greedy corporations" is a shorthand for a much more complex situation that deserves to be considered, and it stills falls back onto the "If we just weren't so sinful, things would be better" trap. The paragraph was also an admission that even you believe my initial criticism was valid. just sayin. > There are so many places we've fucked up. It's just a natural thing for humans to do. No! We build as much as we fuck up. Also, fuck any idea predicated on what is "natural" or not. Mother cats eating their unviable kittens is natural. Ducks procreating mostly through rape is natural. 1 in 3 black cap chickadees dying every year just because of winter is natural. _Mosquitos_ are natural. Fuck all of that. > When they are presented with knobs and levers to push/pull/turn, they all get turned to the max in whatever direction makes more $$$$. Look at the damage we did to farming resulting in the dust bowl as an example. People just can't help themselves. Watch the documentary I linked. It may say something that resonates with you. I feel this way because of your last statement here. edit: Thanks for the posting tip!