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>STEM reality: we got you to confuse an ad for a search result 0.5% more often. That couldn't be more false. The vast majority of STEM jobs do not pushing ads

>STEM reality: we got you to confuse an ad for a search result 0.5% more often. That couldn't be more false. The vast majority of STEM jobs do not pushing ads to people., only FAANGS and such which are a minority of the total STEM jobs.

unsui 3y ago
source? (I am challenging you :) ). The quote "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads" is a fairly robust heuristic for determing what skillsets are valued today by Big Tech. I'm sure there are exceptions (there always are to every heuristic), but overall, probably a fair assumption.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >source? (I am challenging you :) ). The entire jobs market. Look it up. STEM jobs doesn't mean BigTech. Mechanical engineering is also STEM. So is chemical engineering, architecture, etc.
bluetomcat 3y ago
Most of them are driving and sustaining user engagement in online services of some kind. It's mostly a zero-sum game between many services competing for user time and attention.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Which mechanical engineers are doing that?
  - bluetomcat 3y ago
    In Germany, Austria and Switzerland, probably. Not predominantly in the US.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      No, I meant which mechanical engineers are, to quote you, "driving and sustaining user engagement in online services of some kind"? Those guys are also STEM grads/workers.
      - throwaway2646 3y ago
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JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> vast majority of STEM jobs do not pushing ads to people., only FAANGS and such which are a minority of the total STEM jobs A majority of STEM jobs fall under a category with "computer" or "software" in it [1]. Unless a majority of those are in adtech, you are correct. [1] https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2013/acs/acs-23.pdf https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2013/acs/acs-23... Table 7
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >t would appear a majority of STEM jobs fall under a category with "computer" or "software" in it But not all STEM jobs. And not all software or IT jobs involve ad targeting for +400k/year.
wharvle 3y ago
And how bad would the "STEM shortage" (... but mostly just computer folks) be if, say, we outlawed dragnet-spying in the name of advertising, and the air went out of that market? We might have more than enough "STEM" folks (but we actually mean programmers) to do everything except the stuff that we'd be better off not doing.

unsui 3y ago

source? (I am challenging you :) ). The quote "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads" is a fairly robust heuristic for determing what skillsets are valued today by Big Tech. I'm sure there are exceptions (there always are to every heuristic), but overall, probably a fair assumption.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>source? (I am challenging you :) ). The entire jobs market. Look it up. STEM jobs doesn't mean BigTech. Mechanical engineering is also STEM. So is chemical engineering, architecture, etc.

bluetomcat 3y ago

Most of them are driving and sustaining user engagement in online services of some kind. It's mostly a zero-sum game between many services competing for user time and attention.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Which mechanical engineers are doing that?
- bluetomcat 3y ago
  In Germany, Austria and Switzerland, probably. Not predominantly in the US.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    No, I meant which mechanical engineers are, to quote you, "driving and sustaining user engagement in online services of some kind"? Those guys are also STEM grads/workers.
    - throwaway2646 3y ago
      [dead]

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> vast majority of STEM jobs do not pushing ads to people., only FAANGS and such which are a minority of the total STEM jobs A majority of STEM jobs fall under a category with "computer" or "software" in it [1]. Unless a majority of those are in adtech, you are correct. [1] https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2013/acs/acs-23.pdf https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2013/acs/acs-23... Table 7

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>t would appear a majority of STEM jobs fall under a category with "computer" or "software" in it But not all STEM jobs. And not all software or IT jobs involve ad targeting for +400k/year.

wharvle 3y ago

And how bad would the "STEM shortage" (... but mostly just computer folks) be if, say, we outlawed dragnet-spying in the name of advertising, and the air went out of that market? We might have more than enough "STEM" folks (but we actually mean programmers) to do everything except the stuff that we'd be better off not doing.