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This is a total ploy by large companies to increase the H1-B visa cap. I have seen companies post job openings with starting salaries of 40K for experienced de

This is a total ploy by large companies to increase the H1-B visa cap. I have seen companies post job openings with starting salaries of 40K for experienced developer positions so they can then claim there were no American applicants. Its a self fulfilling prophecy, if companies outsource the jobs then people don't study those skills for fear of their job going to India; then the companies complain that there aren't enough Americans with CS degrees so they need more H1-B visas. The US needs tariffs in the IT industry to save our skill base so we can be competitive long term.

yummyfajitas 14y ago
Protecting the industry with trade barriers definitely sounds like the way to make it competitive. If we do this our IT industry might one day lead the world, like our sugar industry, automotive manufacturing and softwood lumber do.
- chadmalik 14y ago
  Despite your sarcasm, do you have any evidence of nations who have no import restrictions or government subsidies and have built up a competency? China and India are notorious for their import controls, so those are off the table for you to use. And don't use the US technology industry, which has been massively subsidized by government research, import controls, and purchasing. Hey, even the US sugar industry benefits massively from tariffs; without them it would have to compete with much lower priced product from warmer nations.
- v0cab 14y ago
  Or: Like the South Korean electronics industry does.
gaius 14y ago
One other thing is that the traditional entry route to software for the non-traditional candidate was via the helpdesk or QA department. You got your foot in the door, impressed the established engineers by turning around tickets quickly or by writing comprehensive bug reports, then when they needed another developer, you got the tap on the shoulder. Some of the best engineers I've worked with have come in through this route, including the best manager I've worked for. If these kinds of positions are outsourced, how do we tap into that seam of talent anymore?
- read_wharf 14y ago
  If dev is outsourced, then they'll be right there in the building when they need to tap a QA shoulder.
- darkmethod 14y ago
  I've seen this method of advancement with those around me at where I work. However, I've had the exact opposite experience that you have had. Although, I'm willing to admit to selection bias regarding the sample of candidates.

yummyfajitas 14y ago

Protecting the industry with trade barriers definitely sounds like the way to make it competitive. If we do this our IT industry might one day lead the world, like our sugar industry, automotive manufacturing and softwood lumber do.

chadmalik 14y ago
Despite your sarcasm, do you have any evidence of nations who have no import restrictions or government subsidies and have built up a competency? China and India are notorious for their import controls, so those are off the table for you to use. And don't use the US technology industry, which has been massively subsidized by government research, import controls, and purchasing. Hey, even the US sugar industry benefits massively from tariffs; without them it would have to compete with much lower priced product from warmer nations.
v0cab 14y ago
Or: Like the South Korean electronics industry does.

gaius 14y ago

One other thing is that the traditional entry route to software for the non-traditional candidate was via the helpdesk or QA department. You got your foot in the door, impressed the established engineers by turning around tickets quickly or by writing comprehensive bug reports, then when they needed another developer, you got the tap on the shoulder. Some of the best engineers I've worked with have come in through this route, including the best manager I've worked for. If these kinds of positions are outsourced, how do we tap into that seam of talent anymore?

read_wharf 14y ago
If dev is outsourced, then they'll be right there in the building when they need to tap a QA shoulder.
darkmethod 14y ago
I've seen this method of advancement with those around me at where I work. However, I've had the exact opposite experience that you have had. Although, I'm willing to admit to selection bias regarding the sample of candidates.