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I have not read the article, just responding to title: Hell yeah! I do wish I.P. dead. Or at least, I wish for a much shorter protection period, and for origi

by 8jef 3y ago

I have not read the article, just responding to title: Hell yeah! I do wish I.P. dead. Or at least, I wish for a much shorter protection period, and for original authors / artists only. For all the wrong reasons, but primarily, because nothing's sacred. Amen.

ImPleadThe5th 3y ago
Do intellectuals / creatives not deserve the fruits of their own labor? I get corporate IP is used for a lot of bad. But intellectuals and artists create a lot of value for society in ways that are very hard to monitize as a individual. If we completely kill IP what becomes of our authors, philopshipers, historians, artists etc.? They are already having it hard as it is with existing ip protections vs. big tech, big pharma, big record labels, etc.
- teddyh 3y ago
  It’s not that cut-and-dry: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_copyright> <http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.ht...>
- 8jef 3y ago
  Yes, you are right. But. People do abuse the protections, which are too lengthy, makes possible to sell rights, etc. In the end, corporations (ab)uses (buy and sell rights) protections for amassing fortunes much bigger than the original creator ever got. That's not right, not fair, at all. System's broken, need fix, throw it all out and build something new, centered around creators. Give back to creators only, for less time.
  - ImPleadThe5th 3y ago
    I can get behind that for sure. I just don't like the blanket "get rid of IP" especially when we are talking about AI companies which already well surpased the legal and ethical limits of it.
    - 8jef 3y ago
      IP rights are about retribution to the creators. It might be more important to fix the retribution paradigm rather than fixing IP, which is a broken system. At the moment, most creators are starving, while everyone, AI included, are feeding on them - big time. Successful then powerful creators only may dream about making AI pay - to them only. Maybe it's time for some minimum revenue scheme for all creators, on top of heavy limitations on IP. Maybe AI corps can pay for that?

by 8jef 3y ago

ImPleadThe5th 3y ago

Do intellectuals / creatives not deserve the fruits of their own labor? I get corporate IP is used for a lot of bad. But intellectuals and artists create a lot of value for society in ways that are very hard to monitize as a individual. If we completely kill IP what becomes of our authors, philopshipers, historians, artists etc.? They are already having it hard as it is with existing ip protections vs. big tech, big pharma, big record labels, etc.

teddyh 3y ago
It’s not that cut-and-dry: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_copyright> <http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.ht...>
8jef 3y ago
Yes, you are right. But. People do abuse the protections, which are too lengthy, makes possible to sell rights, etc. In the end, corporations (ab)uses (buy and sell rights) protections for amassing fortunes much bigger than the original creator ever got. That's not right, not fair, at all. System's broken, need fix, throw it all out and build something new, centered around creators. Give back to creators only, for less time.
- ImPleadThe5th 3y ago
  I can get behind that for sure. I just don't like the blanket "get rid of IP" especially when we are talking about AI companies which already well surpased the legal and ethical limits of it.
  - 8jef 3y ago
    IP rights are about retribution to the creators. It might be more important to fix the retribution paradigm rather than fixing IP, which is a broken system. At the moment, most creators are starving, while everyone, AI included, are feeding on them - big time. Successful then powerful creators only may dream about making AI pay - to them only. Maybe it's time for some minimum revenue scheme for all creators, on top of heavy limitations on IP. Maybe AI corps can pay for that?