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I wouldnt defend 30% specifically but surely they should get some cut or share. What is the right number? 1%? 50%? I don't know. > All they do is steal 30% fro

I wouldnt defend 30% specifically but surely they should get some cut or share. What is the right number? 1%? 50%? I don't know. > All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer. Kind of an odd take. They take a cut because they provide a service. They are not stealing. I guess lump me in with the defending apple crowd if you want to but to think they would or should charge nothing for their service feels... silly.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
only in tech... can you imagine if selling a replacement bulb for a ford headlight required you to pay 30% to ford. only in tech can this be considered fair.
- AlwaysRock 3y ago
  I pay ford, or some other distributor, 100% of the cost of the replacement bulb plus whatever their markup is when I purchase it.
- hnaccount_rng 3y ago
  I’ve got very bad news for you.. what do you think happens when Ford solicits bids for headlamps? Sure “you” don’t pay something to Ford. But Ford absolutely gets its cut
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    that's not nearly the same thing, stop it.
    - hnaccount_rng 3y ago
      How is it not? Giant company vs tiny company. With basically all the profit being allocated to the giant company. Yes it’s not software and yes the tiny company is not single-person company. But that really doesn’t change the situation (well except for you being seemingly personally affected). You can call this situation unfair and say that it _should_ not exist. But reality just disagrees with your assessment that it _does_ not exist. At least as far as I can see. Feel free to explain the difference that I’m missing. And just for completeness sake: this isn’t even unique in software. Distribution commissions were usually in that order of magnitude. Even for less service and reach
      - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        I can buy a 3rd party bulb that I can put directly into a vehicle I own, how Ford sources the bulbs they put into the vehicles they sell or repair has nothing to do with that. Steam deck recommends you purchase the official steam dock but they don't prevent you, nor do they take a cut of, 3rd party docks that interface with the steam deck. only in tech would someone argue they should be entitled to a cut of that transaction because they _sold_ the original hardware to the user.
        AlwaysRock 3y ago
        You can buy third party hardware to use with your apple products. You can even install apps like altstore on iphones.
        PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        jailbreaking your iphone voids the warranty, replacing the the bulb with a 3rd party brand does not.
barbariangrunge 3y ago
Does windows deserve 30%? what about your isp? Or your motherboard manufacturer? What about nvidia? Should every single company providing you software or hardware take a cut, or only apple? We should own our own computers
- AlwaysRock 3y ago
  I pay windows a fee to use their OS. I'm guessing they take a cut of anything sold via microsoft store as well. My ISP gets a fee for its service. My motherboard was paid for. Nvidia card was paid for. I don't know exactly how every store works but doesnt every digital store, and non digital store, take a cut of what they sell? I agree with the fact that we should own our own computers but you do own your iphone. You can jailbreak it and do whatever you want with it. You can even sideload apps, like altstore, through an incredible tedious process. It sucks that Apple doesnt make this easier to do but that is another topic... Right?
- jwagenet 3y ago
  Pretty much every middleman or service provider in every industry takes a cut, whether by charging you more than they paid or a fee for their service. For some reason people think software is uniquely exempt from this transaction. Nvidia and your motherboard manufacturer already charged you for the product they provided and you also paid for the fee Dell or Newegg charged on top. Your isp is charging you a fee for uninterrupted service. Apple is charging developers for hosting apps and developing tooling.
  - noapologies 3y ago
    Sure, but the cut is a fixed amount based upon the value of the services the middleman is providing. And most importantly, it is not a percentage of the revenue the customer is able to generate by using these services - these two models are polar opposites. A great example that highlights this absurdity is vehicle ownership - imagine if Tesla announced tomorrow that they are actually a "transportation platform" and started charging Uber drivers a percentage of their revenue, or Mazda found out about the weekend race you did in a Miata and is demanding a cut of the winnings. Businesses would love perfect price discrimination in every context (because profits!), but is not clear to me how that is a desirable state for humanity.
linuxhansl 3y ago
Seems to me the range of what a credit card charges would seem sensible. I.e. 3-7%. Alternatively charge 30% but be forced to allow side-installing Apps. That way developers can decide if they want the convenience and reach of the AppStore or not.
- AlwaysRock 3y ago
  Sure. I think side loading is the best options or allowing another way to pay where apple takes a lower cut makes sense. I'd argue that credit card companies are doing a lot less than a marketplace? But again... How do you come up with a number that really makes sense? Apple is just going to charge whatever they can until they are told they have to change.
- merlindru 3y ago
  > Alternatively charge 30% but be forced to allow side-installing Apps. Yes this exactly I don't care whether they charge 10%, 30%, or 100% I do care that there's no alternative to NOT using their services & paying their fee
thefounder 3y ago
They should as much as Mozilla gets for the online transactions carried out on its browser.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

only in tech... can you imagine if selling a replacement bulb for a ford headlight required you to pay 30% to ford. only in tech can this be considered fair.

AlwaysRock 3y ago
I pay ford, or some other distributor, 100% of the cost of the replacement bulb plus whatever their markup is when I purchase it.
hnaccount_rng 3y ago
I’ve got very bad news for you.. what do you think happens when Ford solicits bids for headlamps? Sure “you” don’t pay something to Ford. But Ford absolutely gets its cut
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  that's not nearly the same thing, stop it.
  - hnaccount_rng 3y ago
    How is it not? Giant company vs tiny company. With basically all the profit being allocated to the giant company. Yes it’s not software and yes the tiny company is not single-person company. But that really doesn’t change the situation (well except for you being seemingly personally affected). You can call this situation unfair and say that it _should_ not exist. But reality just disagrees with your assessment that it _does_ not exist. At least as far as I can see. Feel free to explain the difference that I’m missing. And just for completeness sake: this isn’t even unique in software. Distribution commissions were usually in that order of magnitude. Even for less service and reach
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      I can buy a 3rd party bulb that I can put directly into a vehicle I own, how Ford sources the bulbs they put into the vehicles they sell or repair has nothing to do with that. Steam deck recommends you purchase the official steam dock but they don't prevent you, nor do they take a cut of, 3rd party docks that interface with the steam deck. only in tech would someone argue they should be entitled to a cut of that transaction because they _sold_ the original hardware to the user.
      - AlwaysRock 3y ago
        You can buy third party hardware to use with your apple products. You can even install apps like altstore on iphones.
        PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        jailbreaking your iphone voids the warranty, replacing the the bulb with a 3rd party brand does not.

barbariangrunge 3y ago

Does windows deserve 30%? what about your isp? Or your motherboard manufacturer? What about nvidia? Should every single company providing you software or hardware take a cut, or only apple? We should own our own computers

AlwaysRock 3y ago
I pay windows a fee to use their OS. I'm guessing they take a cut of anything sold via microsoft store as well. My ISP gets a fee for its service. My motherboard was paid for. Nvidia card was paid for. I don't know exactly how every store works but doesnt every digital store, and non digital store, take a cut of what they sell? I agree with the fact that we should own our own computers but you do own your iphone. You can jailbreak it and do whatever you want with it. You can even sideload apps, like altstore, through an incredible tedious process. It sucks that Apple doesnt make this easier to do but that is another topic... Right?
jwagenet 3y ago
Pretty much every middleman or service provider in every industry takes a cut, whether by charging you more than they paid or a fee for their service. For some reason people think software is uniquely exempt from this transaction. Nvidia and your motherboard manufacturer already charged you for the product they provided and you also paid for the fee Dell or Newegg charged on top. Your isp is charging you a fee for uninterrupted service. Apple is charging developers for hosting apps and developing tooling.
- noapologies 3y ago
  Sure, but the cut is a fixed amount based upon the value of the services the middleman is providing. And most importantly, it is not a percentage of the revenue the customer is able to generate by using these services - these two models are polar opposites. A great example that highlights this absurdity is vehicle ownership - imagine if Tesla announced tomorrow that they are actually a "transportation platform" and started charging Uber drivers a percentage of their revenue, or Mazda found out about the weekend race you did in a Miata and is demanding a cut of the winnings. Businesses would love perfect price discrimination in every context (because profits!), but is not clear to me how that is a desirable state for humanity.

linuxhansl 3y ago

Seems to me the range of what a credit card charges would seem sensible. I.e. 3-7%. Alternatively charge 30% but be forced to allow side-installing Apps. That way developers can decide if they want the convenience and reach of the AppStore or not.

AlwaysRock 3y ago
Sure. I think side loading is the best options or allowing another way to pay where apple takes a lower cut makes sense. I'd argue that credit card companies are doing a lot less than a marketplace? But again... How do you come up with a number that really makes sense? Apple is just going to charge whatever they can until they are told they have to change.
merlindru 3y ago
> Alternatively charge 30% but be forced to allow side-installing Apps. Yes this exactly I don't care whether they charge 10%, 30%, or 100% I do care that there's no alternative to NOT using their services & paying their fee

thefounder 3y ago

They should as much as Mozilla gets for the online transactions carried out on its browser.