> Don't get me wrong, I wish every Incel the best. But at least to me this is a case of "I can't help you before you get serious about helping yourself" and tha

> Don't get me wrong, I wish every Incel the best. But at least to me this is a case of "I can't help you before you get serious about helping yourself" and that involves searching for your own faults, being self-critical and self-aware. The problem isn't that incels are not shown the door, the problem is they won't walk through it — and they can only walk through it themselves. I think it is a spectrum. If one only searches for mistakes one has made or is making based on external feedback, it basically means, that one lets others (society, social group of people around the person) decide how one is going to live and behave. Some people just stick to their principles and when these go against what others expect, it does not necessarily mean, that they made a mistake. It just means, that they don't match with those other people. There does not necessarily have to be something wrong. Such principles can also self-exclude people from other groups of people. For example: lets say one person is a non-smoker. They won't be around smokers much. Or another one: Don't like dancing? Well, that person will likely not be with a partner, who is into dancing. Many preferences and principles (or the lack of those) make a person and steer a person to have or not have contact with other groups of people. It can happen, that there are very few persons of other sex around them. So I guess a balance of listening to external feedback and ones own convictions is probably key to be well liked by fellow human beings and yet not become externally controlled.