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Good point, what's preventing a Chinese manufacturer to just generate the "perfect" QR/VIN in this case?

midasuni 3y ago
The vin is a unique key in a database which contrails the data. Sure you can forge the vin, just like you can today, but that can be discovered and comes with a ton of risk
bolobo 3y ago
Well, that's the same for all documents. You can just make them up, it's not that hard with 5 minutes of photoshop. But if there is a control and a manufacturer get caught lying about the provenance they are going to have a bad time (or the car manufacturer/battery resellers which didn't do their due diligence).
throwaway4good 3y ago
It is obviously about preventing Chinese battery manufacturers selling in Europe. The problem for EU is that EU car companies make a lot of money in China so banning Chinese cars here makes us open for retaliation.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  Apart from Dacha there is no affordable cars being made anymore. I think BMW etc really don't want competition for the 3rd or 4th owners market. Like, they want rich people to buy new cars and resell them. Not that poor people buy new 12kUSD cars from the factory since it would tank the economics of buying a new BMW.
  - oblio 3y ago
    > Dacha Dacia :-)
  - dotancohen 3y ago
    I had the opportunity to examine a Dacia recently, and I was blown away by the apparent build quality. Just closing the door felt as solid as any German luxury brand if not as heavy. The owner smiled and mentioned, yes, this vehicle is designed to still be functional after driving on Romanian roads.
  - soco 3y ago
    I'm a bit confused, you one side say there's no cheap car in Europe, then give a price in USD - are you actually in Europe and know what you are talking about? You can get a new Fiat, Citroen or Mitsubishi under 15k (some even hybrids) even here in the high-price-island Switzerland.
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      Ye I might have underestimated the available cheaper models. A Mitsubishi Space Star seems to have about the same price as a Dacia Sandero.
- mathverse 3y ago
  Nope. This is an equalizer. We already can only sell pre-approved stuff in China and the same for US. We are about to enter an age where these things are going to be revised.
  - throwaway4good 3y ago
    "We already can only sell pre-approved stuff in China" ????
    - AzuraIsCool 3y ago
      What's confusing you?
mytailorisrich 3y ago
Yes, but my point is rather the opposite: This allows to enforce various sanctions and controls against, for instance, Chinese manufacturers or specific mining countries, or to steer consumers away from certain producers while claiming that this is not protectionism but only "consumer choice". For instance, Wikipedia says that Russia is the 3rd largest producer of Nickel in the world (and France is 4th through New Caledonia...). This system, and indeed assuming that data are not falsified, allows them to indirectly hit them. Once the EU has visibility of so many data I'm sure they'll get creative ;)

The vin is a unique key in a database which contrails the data. Sure you can forge the vin, just like you can today, but that can be discovered and comes with a ton of risk

bolobo 3y ago

Well, that's the same for all documents. You can just make them up, it's not that hard with 5 minutes of photoshop. But if there is a control and a manufacturer get caught lying about the provenance they are going to have a bad time (or the car manufacturer/battery resellers which didn't do their due diligence).

throwaway4good 3y ago

It is obviously about preventing Chinese battery manufacturers selling in Europe. The problem for EU is that EU car companies make a lot of money in China so banning Chinese cars here makes us open for retaliation.

rightbyte 3y ago
Apart from Dacha there is no affordable cars being made anymore. I think BMW etc really don't want competition for the 3rd or 4th owners market. Like, they want rich people to buy new cars and resell them. Not that poor people buy new 12kUSD cars from the factory since it would tank the economics of buying a new BMW.
- oblio 3y ago
  > Dacha Dacia :-)
- dotancohen 3y ago
  I had the opportunity to examine a Dacia recently, and I was blown away by the apparent build quality. Just closing the door felt as solid as any German luxury brand if not as heavy. The owner smiled and mentioned, yes, this vehicle is designed to still be functional after driving on Romanian roads.
- soco 3y ago
  I'm a bit confused, you one side say there's no cheap car in Europe, then give a price in USD - are you actually in Europe and know what you are talking about? You can get a new Fiat, Citroen or Mitsubishi under 15k (some even hybrids) even here in the high-price-island Switzerland.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    Ye I might have underestimated the available cheaper models. A Mitsubishi Space Star seems to have about the same price as a Dacia Sandero.
mathverse 3y ago
Nope. This is an equalizer. We already can only sell pre-approved stuff in China and the same for US. We are about to enter an age where these things are going to be revised.
- throwaway4good 3y ago
  "We already can only sell pre-approved stuff in China" ????
  - AzuraIsCool 3y ago
    What's confusing you?

mytailorisrich 3y ago

Yes, but my point is rather the opposite: This allows to enforce various sanctions and controls against, for instance, Chinese manufacturers or specific mining countries, or to steer consumers away from certain producers while claiming that this is not protectionism but only "consumer choice". For instance, Wikipedia says that Russia is the 3rd largest producer of Nickel in the world (and France is 4th through New Caledonia...). This system, and indeed assuming that data are not falsified, allows them to indirectly hit them. Once the EU has visibility of so many data I'm sure they'll get creative ;)