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I use the Oura ring [1] for sleep tracking, it's by far the best I know of for sleep. The fact that it's a ring is convenient for comfort, and very precise as i

by ildon 3y ago

I use the Oura ring [1] for sleep tracking, it's by far the best I know of for sleep. The fact that it's a ring is convenient for comfort, and very precise as it adheres well to the finger even during night movements. [1] https://ouraring.com/raf/34be98b1fd?utm_medium=iac https://ouraring.com/raf/34be98b1fd?utm_medium=iac

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago
It’s interesting but needing a subscription for sleep and heart rate analysis is a bit too much for a $400 device. At such a price (more than my Apple Watch) I expect all the analysis to be done on the phone.
- morjom 3y ago
  There's also the Ultrahuman Ring Air which is around the same price but requires no subscription as far as I can tell. https://ring.ultrahuman.com/ https://ring.ultrahuman.com/
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Devil's advocate take: Apple can afford to give you "free" sleep tracking because it makes its money from other sources like crazy markups on hardware and 30% tax on Appstore purchases, plus other subscriptions people pay Apple for like iCloud, Apple Care, etc. But small specialized shops like Oura can't fund constant R&D on hardware dev and sleep tracking algorithms, infrastructure, plus continuous SW patches & updates to existing customers and products, without subscriptions, because they lack Apple's other revenue streams and muscle to negociate steep discounts on HW and cloud infra, so the one-time sale fee of Oura's HW product is not enough to cover all those on-going dev costs and keep the company afloat. Not an Oura customer or shareholder, just though I'd share some light on the costs and challenges of competing in this space. It just doesn't work without continuous subscription based revenue streams. Low margins on HW sales are not enough to fund such businesses.
  - greggsy 3y ago
    I’m not sure what you get with the Oura sub, but I would expect to get some form of ‘value’ in the form of services or analytics. Otherwise I’m just paying perpetual instalments for a device I thought I paid for. Software app subs are one thing, but hardware is something else, IMO.
2Gkashmiri 3y ago
Their marketing says > research-grade sensors Are these people really this shallow? What does that even mean
- Borealid 3y ago
  It means the sensors received the same grade as the research papers of the people who wrote the marketing copy.
  - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
    haha good one
tguvot 3y ago
https://us.emfit.com/features/ https://us.emfit.com/features/ seems to be more comprehensive

by ildon 3y ago

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago

It’s interesting but needing a subscription for sleep and heart rate analysis is a bit too much for a $400 device. At such a price (more than my Apple Watch) I expect all the analysis to be done on the phone.

morjom 3y ago
There's also the Ultrahuman Ring Air which is around the same price but requires no subscription as far as I can tell. https://ring.ultrahuman.com/ https://ring.ultrahuman.com/
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Devil's advocate take: Apple can afford to give you "free" sleep tracking because it makes its money from other sources like crazy markups on hardware and 30% tax on Appstore purchases, plus other subscriptions people pay Apple for like iCloud, Apple Care, etc. But small specialized shops like Oura can't fund constant R&D on hardware dev and sleep tracking algorithms, infrastructure, plus continuous SW patches & updates to existing customers and products, without subscriptions, because they lack Apple's other revenue streams and muscle to negociate steep discounts on HW and cloud infra, so the one-time sale fee of Oura's HW product is not enough to cover all those on-going dev costs and keep the company afloat. Not an Oura customer or shareholder, just though I'd share some light on the costs and challenges of competing in this space. It just doesn't work without continuous subscription based revenue streams. Low margins on HW sales are not enough to fund such businesses.
- greggsy 3y ago
  I’m not sure what you get with the Oura sub, but I would expect to get some form of ‘value’ in the form of services or analytics. Otherwise I’m just paying perpetual instalments for a device I thought I paid for. Software app subs are one thing, but hardware is something else, IMO.

2Gkashmiri 3y ago

Their marketing says > research-grade sensors Are these people really this shallow? What does that even mean

Borealid 3y ago
It means the sensors received the same grade as the research papers of the people who wrote the marketing copy.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  haha good one

tguvot 3y ago

https://us.emfit.com/features/ https://us.emfit.com/features/ seems to be more comprehensive