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That would be a great loss of talent. I wish we could make it much easier for those top scientists to become American citizens. Why assume they have loyalty to

That would be a great loss of talent. I wish we could make it much easier for those top scientists to become American citizens. Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP? They’re in California, presumably they like hot dogs, monster trucks, and bikinis.

jack1243star 3y ago
They also like their friends and family members alive and well.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
> Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP? You answered > They’re in California
maxglute 3y ago
>Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP Because that's American NatSec for you. They rather train a white kid from Iowa to read Chinese poorly and do even worse analysis than risk giving advantage to adversaries. The domestic politics of latter is more unforgiving. Also see China Initiative persecuting PRC scholars. Pentagon contracts will come with strings attached, hidden or otherwise.
astroid 3y ago
I can't count the number of times I have seen Chinese people abroad having their family back at home punished for criticizing the CCP or taking other stances that the government oppose. Doing a quick search, I found several articles detailing how this is becoming more common, with this story being the first one I recalled as the video is nauseating: https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_china-tries-muffle-those-living-abroad-intimidating-their-families/6192452.html https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_china-tries-muff... "Editor’s Note: China’s government is expanding its censorship controls by targeting Chinese citizens overseas who criticize Beijing on social media. The pressure tactic is called “zhulian” – an ancient punishment meaning “guilt by association.” It usually involves police threatening family members in China for the actions of their relatives overseas. This happened to “Zoo” (short for @HorrorZoo, her main handle on Twitter), a Chinese student pursuing graduate studies in Australia, whose father has been repeatedly summoned to the police station because of her criticism of Chinese Communist Party leaders on social media. But instead of censoring her Twitter account, “Zoo” has become more outspoken, providing multiple videos of police intimidating her via video chat. Her story provides a rare look at how China tries to use the families of dissidents to silence them." Another instance: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/overseas-chinese-10212022152902.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/overseas-chinese-1021... "Police in Beijing have contacted the family of a Chinese student studying in the United States after he expressed support online for the "Bridge Man" protester, who unfurled banners on a Beijing bridge calling on ruling Chinese leader Xi Jinping to step down on the eve of the 20th Communist party’s congress." I'm sure I could find hundreds of these - it has nothing to do with loyalty, and everything to do with external sources of pressure and coercion.

jack1243star 3y ago

They also like their friends and family members alive and well.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago

> Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP? You answered > They’re in California

maxglute 3y ago

>Why assume they have loyalty to the CCP Because that's American NatSec for you. They rather train a white kid from Iowa to read Chinese poorly and do even worse analysis than risk giving advantage to adversaries. The domestic politics of latter is more unforgiving. Also see China Initiative persecuting PRC scholars. Pentagon contracts will come with strings attached, hidden or otherwise.

astroid 3y ago

I can't count the number of times I have seen Chinese people abroad having their family back at home punished for criticizing the CCP or taking other stances that the government oppose. Doing a quick search, I found several articles detailing how this is becoming more common, with this story being the first one I recalled as the video is nauseating: https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_china-tries-muffle-those-living-abroad-intimidating-their-families/6192452.html https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_china-tries-muff... "Editor’s Note: China’s government is expanding its censorship controls by targeting Chinese citizens overseas who criticize Beijing on social media. The pressure tactic is called “zhulian” – an ancient punishment meaning “guilt by association.” It usually involves police threatening family members in China for the actions of their relatives overseas. This happened to “Zoo” (short for @HorrorZoo, her main handle on Twitter), a Chinese student pursuing graduate studies in Australia, whose father has been repeatedly summoned to the police station because of her criticism of Chinese Communist Party leaders on social media. But instead of censoring her Twitter account, “Zoo” has become more outspoken, providing multiple videos of police intimidating her via video chat. Her story provides a rare look at how China tries to use the families of dissidents to silence them." Another instance: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/overseas-chinese-10212022152902.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/overseas-chinese-1021... "Police in Beijing have contacted the family of a Chinese student studying in the United States after he expressed support online for the "Bridge Man" protester, who unfurled banners on a Beijing bridge calling on ruling Chinese leader Xi Jinping to step down on the eve of the 20th Communist party’s congress." I'm sure I could find hundreds of these - it has nothing to do with loyalty, and everything to do with external sources of pressure and coercion.