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sounds like nuclear proliferation?

kridsdale1 3y ago
Better to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  That country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays. If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.
  - kridsdale1 3y ago
    I was talking about Taiwan. I honestly have no idea to what you’re alluding.
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      Oh nvm.
    - johnyzee 3y ago
      LOL. I avoided downvoting the OP because it did not mention any countries, and could easily be applied to any of the great powers, including the U.S. So it stands as a neutral argument for proliferation (ignoring the later clarification).
  - piva00 3y ago
    I agree that Ukraine was not a thriving liberal democracy, it was an infant democracy trying to shake out a corruption infested political class. The issue was not nazi militias, that's Russia's propaganda. Because if nazi militias is your main point of contention I'd need to point you towards the USA for you to take a look as well... Not a thriving democracy either?
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      The neonazi militias in the US is a consequence of the 2nd amendment thing, right? And I guess they don't actually do anything. There is some "Socialist Rifle Militia" to if I remember correctly. However, my point is that having a non-trivial amount of active fascist militias doing things with the support of the gov., alone makes a country not a liberal democracy. But OP seems to have meant another country ...
- scotty79 3y ago
  We can't let ourselves have mineshaft gap. Like in Dr Strangelove.
ilikehurdles 3y ago
Sure. I believe the atomic bombs have primarily led to the long peace we enjoy today, relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded their invention. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  > peace we enjoy today Perhaps you didn't read the news in the past two years..
  - walthamstow 3y ago
    Perhaps you didn't read the part of the parent post that says "relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded [the a-bomb's] invention." I don't think we young Western men realise how good we've had it since 1945, particularly those of us from countries not involved in Vietnam.
    - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
      Asian men didn't have it good. The Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, still have unexploded USA bombs on their territories. African and South American men didn't either. It seems nuclear weapons only allowed one side of the world to bully the rest.
      - walthamstow 3y ago
        First your point was about Ukraine, now you're on US atrocities Latin America and SE Asia. Yeah, the US did that. I don't think they needed nuclear weapons to do it. I don't know what point you're trying to make.
        pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        That the world hasn't enjoyed peace at all. The West just relocated its wars somewhere else.

Better to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.

rightbyte 3y ago
That country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays. If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.
- kridsdale1 3y ago
  I was talking about Taiwan. I honestly have no idea to what you’re alluding.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    Oh nvm.
  - johnyzee 3y ago
    LOL. I avoided downvoting the OP because it did not mention any countries, and could easily be applied to any of the great powers, including the U.S. So it stands as a neutral argument for proliferation (ignoring the later clarification).
- piva00 3y ago
  I agree that Ukraine was not a thriving liberal democracy, it was an infant democracy trying to shake out a corruption infested political class. The issue was not nazi militias, that's Russia's propaganda. Because if nazi militias is your main point of contention I'd need to point you towards the USA for you to take a look as well... Not a thriving democracy either?
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    The neonazi militias in the US is a consequence of the 2nd amendment thing, right? And I guess they don't actually do anything. There is some "Socialist Rifle Militia" to if I remember correctly. However, my point is that having a non-trivial amount of active fascist militias doing things with the support of the gov., alone makes a country not a liberal democracy. But OP seems to have meant another country ...
scotty79 3y ago
We can't let ourselves have mineshaft gap. Like in Dr Strangelove.

ilikehurdles 3y ago

Sure. I believe the atomic bombs have primarily led to the long peace we enjoy today, relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded their invention. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace

pastacacioepepe 3y ago
> peace we enjoy today Perhaps you didn't read the news in the past two years..
- walthamstow 3y ago
  Perhaps you didn't read the part of the parent post that says "relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded [the a-bomb's] invention." I don't think we young Western men realise how good we've had it since 1945, particularly those of us from countries not involved in Vietnam.
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    Asian men didn't have it good. The Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, still have unexploded USA bombs on their territories. African and South American men didn't either. It seems nuclear weapons only allowed one side of the world to bully the rest.
    - walthamstow 3y ago
      First your point was about Ukraine, now you're on US atrocities Latin America and SE Asia. Yeah, the US did that. I don't think they needed nuclear weapons to do it. I don't know what point you're trying to make.
      - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        That the world hasn't enjoyed peace at all. The West just relocated its wars somewhere else.